Do you really think being a cabinet minister for the last two months is going to look better for any of these people? I think it might make them look worse! The closer you are to JT the more you can be associated with him.
Probably will hurt them more than it will help. I could be wrong, just my opinion.
I'm not here to defend it, I'm saying why they would do it. If you are a no name, and get an opportunity to add cabinet minister to your resume, I think you do it. Name recognition is 99% of voter knowledge, and being a minister gets you more of that. If you do get re-elected, you stand abetter chance of an opposition portfolio. If you are young, no one is going to remember the exact details of how you first got in the portfolio, and when the Liberals form government again, well, you have that on your resume.
Voter memory is short. Details don't matter if you aren't part of the scandal. I just don't see it as a bad move, unless you are a big name in the party, then you have other considerations and don't need the boost.
I’m told the ex housing minister Sean Fraser was actually well liked and quite smart. Not sure whether he quit or was fired.
Edit: did a search. He stepped down in his own.
I saw an interview with him a good year ago. I thought “here is a guy that could lead.” He seemed odd for a politician: logical common sense thinking, didn’t make backhanded comments about the opposition, agreed with the reporter on a potential gotcha point and followed it up with pragmatic solutions. Maybe he will come back as a leadership candidate next cycle.
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Sources say Fraser is leaving for family reasons, something he has commented on publicly before. The time and travel required by his portfolio makes it difficult to spend time in his rural Nova Scotia riding with his wife, eight-year-old daughter and three-year-old son.
Doesnt sound like a guy interested in getting back into federal politics.
Maybe when the kiddos are grown and gone he revisits it?
I'm not here to defend it, I'm saying why they would do it. If you are a no name, and get an opportunity to add cabinet minister to your resume, I think you do it. Name recognition is 99% of voter knowledge, and being a minister gets you more of that. If you do get re-elected, you stand abetter chance of an opposition portfolio. If you are young, no one is going to remember the exact details of how you first got in the portfolio, and when the Liberals form government again, well, you have that on your resume.
Voter memory is short. Details don't matter if you aren't part of the scandal. I just don't see it as a bad move, unless you are a big name in the party, then you have other considerations and don't need the boost.
Fuzz, any time anyone explains something to a conservative, that person is either defending the thing conservatives hate, attacking conservatives, or are triggered.
Know this. Live this. Stop antagonizing them with your “theories.”
I'm not here to defend it, I'm saying why they would do it. If you are a no name, and get an opportunity to add cabinet minister to your resume, I think you do it. Name recognition is 99% of voter knowledge, and being a minister gets you more of that. If you do get re-elected, you stand abetter chance of an opposition portfolio. If you are young, no one is going to remember the exact details of how you first got in the portfolio, and when the Liberals form government again, well, you have that on your resume.
Voter memory is short. Details don't matter if you aren't part of the scandal. I just don't see it as a bad move, unless you are a big name in the party, then you have other considerations and don't need the boost.
It could make sense for a younger politician. I agree with that.
I’m told the ex housing minister Sean Fraser was actually well liked and quite smart. Not sure whether he quit or was fired.
Edit: did a search. He stepped down in his own.
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I saw an interview with him a good year ago. I thought “here is a guy that could lead.” He seemed odd for a politician: logical common sense thinking, didn’t make backhanded comments about the opposition, agreed with the reporter on a potential gotcha point and followed it up with pragmatic solutions. Maybe he will come back as a leadership candidate next cycle.
The guy that was the Immigration Minister who decided to actively open the floodgates to low skill and low wage "students" without controls to try to score 100 million Canadians? Who was warned about the housing and economic problems that their Century Initiative would create for Canadians and still went ahead? It was so bad that Trudeau had to say it needed to brought back under control.
Then this same guy then had to leave that file and was sent to be the Minister of Housing to deal with the housing crisis that he ####ed up himself?
No wonder he stepped down on his own. Only question is why it took so long. Hopefully people do remember his policy record in Cabinet!
The best outcome for Jagmeet is a minority government with the NDP having the balance of power.
An election today does not result in a minority government
Best option of NDP would be Trudeau resigning and election late next year.
So NDP refused the first non-confidence motion in hopes Trudeau would resign.
Trudeau doesn’t resign.
So after Parliment stops sitting he releases his letter to exert more pressure on the liberals to turf Trudeau.
The end goal of the NDP preferring a later election without Trudeau hasn’t changed. If it had we’d be having PPs emergency session to vote out the government.
If Trudeau resigns we will see a walking back of Singhs statements.
The best outcome for Jagmeet is a minority government with the NDP having the balance of power.
An election today does not result in a minority government
Best option of NDP would be Trudeau resigning and election late next year.
So NDP refused the first non-confidence motion in hopes Trudeau would resign.
Trudeau doesn’t resign.
So after Parliment stops sitting he releases his letter to exert more pressure on the liberals to turf Trudeau.
The end goal of the NDP preferring a later election without Trudeau hasn’t changed. If it had we’d be having PPs emergency session to vote out the government.
If Trudeau resigns we will see a walking back of Singhs statements.
If Trudeau resigns Singh will 1) take credit for it and 2) present a list of demand to whoever takes over for him.
That's easily his best case scenario.
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If Trudeau resigns, he is replaced with someone better than him. Presumably this brings some votes back to the Liberals. I don’t see that helping the NDP, as some of those votes might come at their expense.
Fuzz, any time anyone explains something to a conservative, that person is either defending the thing conservatives hate, attacking conservatives, or are triggered.
Know this. Live this. Stop antagonizing them with your “theories.”
He's likely the next leader of the Liberal Party of Nova Scotia.
A guy like Fraser and a slate of all new candidates (plus the remaining two guys where people vote for them as opposed to the party) he will likely be the next Premier.
He lives 2.5 hours-ish from Halifax, so he isn't too far from the kiddos. Could be home every weekend and important events during the week.
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It may come down to a decision for the NDP between less seats, but more leverage, or more seats but less leverage. That’s actually an interesting point to debate. Although, based on current polls, waiting may also mean less seats and less leverage.
If Trudeau resigns, he is replaced with someone better than him. Presumably this brings some votes back to the Liberals. I don’t see that helping the NDP, as some of those votes might come at their expense.
Now explore all the other options and reasons. If the NDP believed the above we’d have a had an election 6 months ago.
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I saw an interview with him a good year ago. I thought “here is a guy that could lead.” He seemed odd for a politician: logical common sense thinking, didn’t make backhanded comments about the opposition, agreed with the reporter on a potential gotcha point and followed it up with pragmatic solutions. Maybe he will come back as a leadership candidate next cycle.
That’s the big problem with politics. Those are the people who should be encouraged to run. But none of them want to touch it with a 10 foot pole because of all of the BS.
So you end up with less than adequate leadership in extremely important positions.
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I think its pure fantasy at this point to believe a new Liberal leader will make much of a difference regardless of when the election happens.
They are teetering on becoming completely irrelevant at this point because the Liberal brand is viewed as extremely toxic. Not just JT either, its anyone associated with this government. That's why the polls are where they are.
This reminds me of when they parachuted Michael Ignatieff in to save them after the Stephane Dion debacle, and we all know what that resulted in. Seems like history is repeating itself once again.
If, and its a big if, Singh is true to his word and brings down the Liberals through a non-confidence vote, he can use that during the campaign to quite possibly secure more seats than them and become official opposition all be it against a massive majority.
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