A lot of players with families just want stability, especially guys like Coleman that have already achieved a lot of professional success. I don't think it is always a given that they will move on to be on a contender or avoid a rebuild. As a parent, sometimes your number one priority is to make sure your kids can have some consistency in their lives even if it means some self-sacrifice.
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Just looking at the numbers for a goalie just doesn't tell the story.
Vladar has been really good at times, good at times, and has had 2 or 3 soft games (every goalie does).
He has also had a few games where the team hung him out to dry: 1st period against VAN, the 5-1 game in VGS, and the 8-3 game against the Bolts.
In those three games, he is 1-2-0, 6.00 GAA, .795 S%
In the other 14 games, he is 5-4-5, 2.50 GAA, .907 S% with 2 shutouts.
No, you can't just cherry pick numbers. But you can analyse the data and dig a little deeper. He simply has not been 'bad' this year. He's been pretty good to good, with a couple ugly games (which weren't his fault)
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Just looking at the numbers for a goalie just doesn't tell the story.
Vladar has been really good at times, good at times, and has had 2 or 3 soft games (every goalie does).
He has also had a few games where the team hung him out to dry: 1st period against VAN, the 5-1 game in VGS, and the 8-3 game against the Bolts.
In those three games, he is 1-2-0, 6.00 GAA, .795 S%
In the other 14 games, he is 5-4-5, 2.50 GAA, .907 S% with 2 shutouts.
No, you can't just cherry pick numbers. But you can analyse the data and dig a little deeper. He simply has not been 'bad' this year. He's been pretty good to good, with a couple ugly games (which weren't his fault)
In short, he's fine. I think starting him 50% of the time is high, though. I'd have a 70-30 split.
He's not a bail-you-out type of goalie (except for the rare game), but he's a goalie that if you're providing reasonable support defensively and keeping the ten bell chances down will support a winning type of effort most nights (as in he won't lose you the game if you're doing enough to win it).
In short, he's fine. I think starting him 50% of the time is high, though. I'd have a 70-30 split.
I imagine that's what the coaching staff would like to work towards. But it's liable to take time for Wolf to get used to that workload at the NHL level.
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I'll take my chances on reviving a 23yo, 17th overall pick, if the cost is a 3rd.
Every day.
So you would throw away a 3rd round pick for a player that has not progressed at all. You can't revive what isn't there. Hey, maybe you can send a 2nd to Pittsburgh for Jesse Puljujarvi too! He is only 26 and was a 4th overall pick. Thank God our GM isn't as keen to throw away picks like that.
So you would throw away a 3rd round pick for a player that has not progressed at all. You can't revive what isn't there. Hey, maybe you can send a 2nd to Pittsburgh for Jesse Puljujarvi too! He is only 26 and was a 4th overall pick. Thank God our GM isn't as keen to throw away picks like that.
Are we talking JP or Krebs? Neither of those guys remotely have the upside or talent that Kakko has. JP was ruined by the Oilers and Krebs is like a less talented Cody Glass.
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Are we talking JP or Krebs? Neither of those guys remotely have the upside or talent that Kakko has. JP was ruined by the Oilers and Krebs is like a less talented Cody Glass.
Krebs and Kakko have the same long term potential of panning out imo. Would not take either if given the choice.
So you would throw away a 3rd round pick for a player that has not progressed at all. You can't revive what isn't there. Hey, maybe you can send a 2nd to Pittsburgh for Jesse Puljujarvi too! He is only 26 and was a 4th overall pick. Thank God our GM isn't as keen to throw away picks like that.
Yes, I would 'throw away' a 3rd round pick for a 23 year old center iceman who was drafted 17th overall.
You seriously need to gear down, it's just a conversation.
Just looking at the numbers for a goalie just doesn't tell the story.
Vladar has been really good at times, good at times, and has had 2 or 3 soft games (every goalie does).
He has also had a few games where the team hung him out to dry: 1st period against VAN, the 5-1 game in VGS, and the 8-3 game against the Bolts.
In those three games, he is 1-2-0, 6.00 GAA, .795 S%
In the other 14 games, he is 5-4-5, 2.50 GAA, .907 S% with 2 shutouts.
No, you can't just cherry pick numbers. But you can analyse the data and dig a little deeper. He simply has not been 'bad' this year. He's been pretty good to good, with a couple ugly games (which weren't his fault)
You think other goalies don’t have games they get hung out to dry?
Such a weird argument - ignore the numbers from the last two seasons that say he’s not a good goalie , because ….. if you take out his horrible games he’s an ok goalie ? That he has been good at times ?
Guess what - the rest of the leagues goalies also look a lot better if you remove their worse games too !
What shows that he hasn’t been “bad” this year other than your opinion compared to other goalies if you remove their 20% worse games
You think other goalies don’t have games they get hung out to dry?
Such a weird argument - ignore the numbers from the last two seasons that say he’s not a good goalie , because ….. if you take out his horrible games he’s an ok goalie ? That he has been good at times ?
Guess what - the rest of the leagues goalies also look a lot better if you remove their worse games too !
What shows that he hasn’t been “bad” this year other than your opinion compared to other goalies if you remove their 20% worse games
watching him play.
As to your overall point, I addressed it in my post. But my point was that Vladar has had the team give up on him a few times this year - most goalies don't have that dragging down their stats.
Every time he dresses, he plays well, he keeps the team in it, the commentators agree that he's playing great, and then eventually the other team scores, and the same half a dozen posters come in and say "he sucks, he's always sucked!". It is just so bizarre to be so biased against a player on the team you root for.
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Just looking at the numbers for a goalie just doesn't tell the story.
Vladar has been really good at times, good at times, and has had 2 or 3 soft games (every goalie does).
He has also had a few games where the team hung him out to dry: 1st period against VAN, the 5-1 game in VGS, and the 8-3 game against the Bolts.
In those three games, he is 1-2-0, 6.00 GAA, .795 S%
In the other 14 games, he is 5-4-5, 2.50 GAA, .907 S% with 2 shutouts.
No, you can't just cherry pick numbers. But you can analyse the data and dig a little deeper. He simply has not been 'bad' this year. He's been pretty good to good, with a couple ugly games (which weren't his fault)
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watching him play.
As to your overall point, I addressed it in my post. But my point was that Vladar has had the team give up on him a few times this year - most goalies don't have that dragging down their stats.
Every time he dresses, he plays well, he keeps the team in it, the commentators agree that he's playing great, and then eventually the other team scores, and the same half a dozen posters come in and say "he sucks, he's always sucked!". It is just so bizarre to be so biased against a player on the team you root for.
Out of thanks, but thanks Enoch. I agree.
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As to your overall point, I addressed it in my post. But my point was that Vladar has had the team give up on him a few times this year - most goalies don't have that dragging down their stats.
Every time he dresses, he plays well, he keeps the team in it, the commentators agree that he's playing great, and then eventually the other team scores, and the same half a dozen posters come in and say "he sucks, he's always sucked!". It is just so bizarre to be so biased against a player on the team you root for.
Biased against Vladar ?
People showing stats and advanced stats showing he statistically one of the worse goalies over the last two years isn’t bias
Saying he’s good because you “watch him play and he looks good - except when he’s not and in those cases it’s everyone’s fault but his “ because YOU like him and want him to be good is actually the exact definition of a bias
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