Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/why-...-yet-1.7150763


The leader of the NDP.... What a fool.

Can anyone please point to a source that shows PP making the cuts he speaks about here.



The NDP polling is about to collapse.

It’s probably debatable whether singh is in fact worse than Trudeau.

35 to 40 million people and those two are the best we can come up with.

Even the reporter looked like she wanted to wring his neck.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by GGG

Which is more likely

He is doing it for his pension or he thinks he can extract more things out of Trudeau?

Look, this is just conjecture but both Trudeau and Singh likely realize that they're probably Dead Men Walking.

This is the 'Grift' portion of their career where they know their days are numbered, and its not a high number. So they're going to take what they can get while the getting is good.

And in the meantime Poilievre is just waiting for his chance. But forget about that crap, that comes later.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by GGG

Which is more likely

He is doing it for his pension or he thinks he can extract more things out of Trudeau?

He has to know he’s cooked at this stage.

Feb 25 he gets his pension. Gears will shift feb 26 is my guess.

He’s going to have a ton of heat on him in jan/feb. The press are going to hound him.

[2Stonedbirds]

At the current rate Trudeau is sewering the LPC, and by extension Jagmeet hitching his wagon to the sinking ship that is the liberal party, I can honestly see the bloc becoming the opposition without winning a seat outside of Quebec.
I'm sure it'll be Harper's fault or perhaps Hitlers, but still. Headed towards early 90s territory here.

[chemgear]

I imagine Trudeau just thinks that his MP's, the women in Cabinet and everybody in Canada are just experiencing things differently. It's just business as usual.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Goriders

He has to know he’s cooked at this stage.

Feb 25 he gets his pension. Gears will shift feb 26 is my guess.

He’s going to have a ton of heat on him in jan/feb. The press are going to hound him.

The best outcome for Canada is a Trudeau resignation and real choice presented between the Cons and Libs. Two weeks ago he was fighting to expand the stupid $250 cheques. It doesn’t fit the run out the string narrative.

So until Trudeau stares him down and says he has no plans to resign he’sacting in the best interests of Canadians.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by chemgear

I imagine Trudeau just thinks that his MP's, the women in Cabinet and everybody in Canada are just experiencing things differently. It's just business as usual.

I think Trudeau needs an intervention.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I meant Singh. PP has been around long enough to guarantee his. I don’t think Singh has.

PP has been around doing what? Has he earned it?

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Wormius

PP has been around doing what? Has he earned it?

You need 4 years I think. Then you get your golden handshake.

It’s not based on competence. If it was there would probably be zero pensions handed out.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Goriders

You need 4 years I think. Then you get your golden handshake.

It’s not based on competence. If it was there would probably be zero pensions handed out.

I think it’s 6 years, so you have to be elected twice? I’m not sure of that, but it’s definitely more than one term.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Slava

I think it’s 6 years, so you have to be elected twice? I’m not sure of that, but it’s definitely more than one term.

We should make it like Logan's Run, instead of Pensions after 2 terms they just execute you.

Much cleaner. Good turnover and fewer incumbent bad habits.

What is your incentive to incur scandals and screw over your constituents if you're not going to be around long enough to benefit?

[Goriders]

You are right. It’s 6

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Wormius

PP has been around doing what? Has he earned it?

Has Trudeau “earned” it? Can’t we count all the collusion and corruption his pension?

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Has Trudeau “earned” it? Can’t we count all the collusion and corruption his pension?

Probably not, but if people (including PP) want to call out Singh’s pension eligibility as a relevant issue, PP shouldn’t be immune to criticism. He stands to make 3x what Singh will, and PP hasn’t had a hand in doing anything remarkable in his career.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Okay, so I’ll play . What’s PP’s pension? Think he has earned it based on what he has accomplished for Canadians?

Originally Posted by Wormius

PP has been around doing what? Has he earned it?

I don't quite understand the logic of bringing up Poilievre and his pension as somehow being an argument to be had as a rebuttal to Singh's situation.

He's been an MP since 2004 and beat a favoured incumbent doing so. He has been an MP for 20 years including several as a cabinet minister and now opposition leader. If an argument is to be made on which MP in the house has earned a pension, he is pretty much one of the worst targets you go can go for.

Liberal MPs from their 2015 majority win including Trudeau have earned their pension years ago and they do not come in question or in discussion when pension is mentioned.

https://www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Ne...%20(final).pdf

Jagmeet Singh has not secured his pension as of yet. He personally will get it in February 25 2025 for winning a by election seat back in Feb 25 2019 and tenured for 6 years. Singh moved to Burnaby and got appointed to a safe NDP riding in Burnaby South 2 years after becoming NDP leader

Securing a pension through tenure is absolutely a motivation for an MP to stay long to secure it. Who wouldn't want a pension for 6 years+ of work? I sure as heck know if I had a few months to go to secure one, I would try to make it. The early 2 year term 2021 election gave a unique opportunity for MPs to potentially qualify for one if only the election date was pushed by 1 extra week without the need to get re-elected.

Many current MPs who won their seats in 2019 have not earned a pension as of yet on tenure. The NDP and Liberals voted to change the election date back a week to Oct. 27, 2025 on the claim it would interfere with Diwali yet coincidentally get many Liberals and NDP MPs unlikely to get re-elected the tenure needed to secure their pension should elections be held at the last moment. This unpopular move caused backlash aimed at the NDP by constituents and they have since reversed their push.

This sneaky attempt by Liberals / NDP to assure themselves pensions while facing a potential major defeat is where Singh's own pension eligibility started getting talked about. Singh is in jeopardy of losing his seat at the moment with the current situation in Burnaby, riding changes and polling. It is unlikely he will stay as leader with another election disappointment.

It's most certainly also a vulnerability where his motives can be questioned by opposing parties because the NDP has opened themselves up to criticism. Peter Julien talking of looking at potential of non confidence in late February or early March (coincidentally after Singh would have secured his pension) even when faced with this complete debacle is not helping the optics at all.

Singh is quite wealthy and questioning his motivation on prolonging an election to secure his pension could certainly be argued against and a totally valid argument to shut down the discussion.

But bringing up an MP of the other political spectrum who have clearly earned it per the rules as a whataboutism to one who has clearly not earned it yet by the rules is quite a poor take.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by chemgear

At their party last night apparently, doesn't seem like somebody that is interested in resigning. Hang on to power whatever it takes.

Biden wasn't going to resign either until he did. I wouldn't read to much into this. It's pretty standard practice in business and politics to pretend nothing is happening until the decision is finalized.

[Goriders]

Conservatives just won a bielection in the neighbouring riding to Singh’s. I’m pretty sure he’s not going to be around after the next election.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by SebC

Biden wasn't going to resign either until he did. I wouldn't read to much into this. It's pretty standard practice in business and politics to pretend nothing is happening until the decision is finalized.

Fires his loyal second in command and then jokes about it in front of her colleagues. Pretty much sums the guy up.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Conservatives just won a bielection in the neighbouring riding to Singh’s. I’m pretty sure he’s not going to be around after the next election.

I wouldn't be using a byelection with voter turnout of 16% to conclude anything, other than there's a ton of voter apathy right now.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Firebot

I don't quite understand the logic of bringing up Poilievre and his pension as somehow being an argument to be had as a rebuttal to Singh's situation.

He's been an MP since 2004 and beat a favoured incumbent doing so. He has been an MP for 20 years including several as a cabinet minister and now opposition leader. If an argument is to be made on which MP in the house has earned a pension, he is pretty much one of the worst targets you go can go for.

Liberal MPs from their 2015 majority win including Trudeau have earned their pension years ago and they do not come in question or in discussion when pension is mentioned.

https://www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Ne...%20(final).pdf

Jagmeet Singh has not secured his pension as of yet. He personally will get it in February 25 2025 for winning a by election seat back in Feb 25 2019 and tenured for 6 years. Singh moved to Burnaby and got appointed to a safe NDP riding in Burnaby South 2 years after becoming NDP leader

Securing a pension through tenure is absolutely a motivation for an MP to stay long to secure it. Who wouldn't want a pension for 6 years+ of work? I sure as heck know if I had a few months to go to secure one, I would try to make it. The early 2 year term 2021 election gave a unique opportunity for MPs to potentially qualify for one if only the election date was pushed by 1 extra week without the need to get re-elected.

Many current MPs who won their seats in 2019 have not earned a pension as of yet on tenure. The NDP and Liberals voted to change the election date back a week to Oct. 27, 2025 on the claim it would interfere with Diwali yet coincidentally get many Liberals and NDP MPs unlikely to get re-elected the tenure needed to secure their pension should elections be held at the last moment. This unpopular move caused backlash aimed at the NDP by constituents and they have since reversed their push.

This sneaky attempt by Liberals / NDP to assure themselves pensions while facing a potential major defeat is where Singh's own pension eligibility started getting talked about. Singh is in jeopardy of losing his seat at the moment with the current situation in Burnaby, riding changes and polling. It is unlikely he will stay as leader with another election disappointment.

It's most certainly also a vulnerability where his motives can be questioned by opposing parties because the NDP has opened themselves up to criticism. Peter Julien talking of looking at potential of non confidence in late February or early March (coincidentally after Singh would have secured his pension) even when faced with this complete debacle is not helping the optics at all.

Singh is quite wealthy and questioning his motivation on prolonging an election to secure his pension could certainly be argued against and a totally valid argument to shut down the discussion.

But bringing up an MP of the other political spectrum who have clearly earned it per the rules as a whataboutism to one who has clearly not earned it yet by the rules is quite a poor take.

The eligibility criteria is the eligibility criteria, period. Unless this was a huge issue when PP and his colleagues were about to qualify for theirs, then why bring it up for anyone else?