2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The same things I saw with Laf when I was arguing we should trade for him last season Summer he broke out, while people were saying he’s a bust.

We don’t want Kakko for what he’s done in poor circumstances, we want him for the potential upside if we can get him out of those poor circumstances.

It’s exactly what Florida got in the Bennett move after we screwed the pooch with him here.

I’d hope Conroy could pull Kakko from NYR for something like Coleman though, rather than Pospisil.

Woah, Coleman is a pretty useful and valuable player... I'd imagine he'd get more than Kaako, no?

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah the only way I'm trading Pospisil is if it's in a package that brings in a legitimate center prospect.

Trading Pospisil for a winger that is only 16 months younger, that has has similar production the last two seasons, and adding a top 64 pick to that makes no sense.

Remove draft position from the equation and Pospisil has easily been the better player the last two seasons, playing on a worse team.

Only issue I have with Pospisil is that he is on the Ferland career trajectory. I can't imagine with the way he plays if he will have 2-3more years in the NHL.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The same things I saw with Laf when I was arguing we should trade for him last season Summer he broke out, while people were saying he’s a bust.

We don’t want Kakko for what he’s done in poor circumstances, we want him for the potential upside if we can get him out of those poor circumstances.

It’s exactly what Florida got in the Bennett move after we screwed the pooch with him here.

I’d hope Conroy could pull Kakko from NYR for something like Coleman though, rather than Pospisil.

Bennett at the time of the trade is probably a good comparison for Kakko.

Top 4 pick, Bennett was 7 years post draft and 24 at the time of the trade, Kakko is 6 years post draft and turns 24 in February.

3 years prior to the trade:

Bennett: GP: 161, G: 25, P: 51, Shooting %: 9.5%, xGF%: 51.9%, GF%: 44.4%, PDO: .981

Kakko: GP: 171, G: 35, P: 73, Shooting %: 13.5%, xGF%: 50.2%, GF%: 56.9%, PDO: 1.016

So similar enough numbers, with Kakko having better counting stats and Bennett having better underlying numbers.

Which is actually a bit of my worry with Kakko. With Bennett the underlying numbers showed a player who had good underlying stats, but had abysmal actual on-ice results, which indicated some potential for upside.

With Kakko it's actually the opposite...his on-ice results, PDO, and individual shooting percentage are actually quite strong, with his underlying numbers actually being worse, which indicate that he's kind of producing what you'd expect from him.

At the right price (2nd round pick) I'd still take a flyer on him, but I would be cautious of overpaying for him for sure because him being a 2nd overall pick is pretty irrelevant at this point 6 years post draft.

Edit: Funny part is if we traded for Lafreniere I think a lot of people would actually be unhappy, especially those that are clamoring for a scorched earth re-build like yourself...

If the Flames traded a bundle of assets for him (let's hypothecially say Zary + 1st which is probably actually conservative to what it would have cost in the 2023 offseason to acquire him), then after that trade he had a 57 point season last season, and we paid him $7.45M on an extension, and he was on pace for another 57 point season this year. I think people would actually be pissed off we traded Zary + 1st and $7.5M of cap room for a guy who is a 55-60 point player right now.

[FBI]

1st for VLadar. No?
Ok 1st for Cooley.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Woah, Coleman is a pretty useful and valuable player... I'd imagine he'd get more than Kaako, no?

I don’t think so. Wrong side of thirty and has a pretty limiting NTC. I bet he would get a second or something.

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Only issue I have with Pospisil is that he is on the Ferland career trajectory. I can't imagine with the way he plays if he will have 2-3more years in the NHL.

I agree and so far he hasn’t been as effective when he isn’t being a pest. It’s a bad combo with his injury history

[Jason14h]

Coleman has 13 pts in 31 games and is 33 carrying a large cap hit

(Basically same numbers as the first two years of his Flames deal )

The time to trade him was last offseason coming off a career year /outlier year

In not sure you could even deal him without retention anymore ?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Coleman has 13 pts in 31 games and is 33 carrying a large cap hit

(Basically same numbers as the first two years of his Flames deal )

The time to trade him was last offseason coming off a career year /outlier year

In not sure you could even deal him without retention anymore ?

A team isn’t getting Coleman for his point production. If he didn’t have a NTC he would be easy to trade.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I am hearing BT has inquired today about the availability of Vladar or Cooley.

Sure, but they come with Huberdeau. Own your mistakes or #### off

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Sure, but they come with Huberdeau. Own your mistakes or #### off

Funny how people like to think it was all Brad’s fault.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Sure, but they come with Huberdeau.

And a free frogurt!

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Coleman has 13 pts in 31 games and is 33 carrying a large cap hit

(Basically same numbers as the first two years of his Flames deal )

The time to trade him was last offseason coming off a career year /outlier year

In not sure you could even deal him without retention anymore ?

He has the 140th highest cap hit for a forward in the NHL and dropping. I am not sure being on average the 4th or 5th highest paid forward on any given team with what he brings to the table overall is a large cap hit. By the last year of the contract it is unlikely that he is even in the top 175 paid forwards in the NHL. I think if you want to win you are probably interested in a guy like Coleman.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Funny how people like to think it was all Brad’s fault.

I didn’t say all his fault, but he was the facilitator, you can’t deny that.


And come on, And a free frogurt

There are sprinkles

[Paulie Walnuts]

You don’t trade for Coleman for him to score goals. He comes in and completes a 3rd line playing a possession game and scoring a big goal or 2 in a playoff series.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by FBI

1st for VLadar. No?
Ok 1st for Cooley.

Seems obvious, Brad needs a goalie he gets Vladar for a 2nd and a 5th. He needs the Flames to eat salary coming back the 5th becomes a 3rd. I would not trade Cooley because I legit wonder if he is a Tim Thomas type and would like to see him in the NHL before the Flames give up on him.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

He has the 140th highest cap hit for a forward in the NHL and dropping. I am not sure being on average the 4th or 5th highest paid forward on any given team with what he brings to the table overall is a large cap hit. By the last year of the contract it is unlikely that he is even in the top 175 paid forwards in the NHL. I think if you want to win you are probably interested in a guy like Coleman.

Coleman is fine , but I don’t think teams are lining up for a 15 goal 33 year old making 5$+ million no matter how good the intangibles are.

I think he movable - especially if you pick up some salary - but people are kidding themselves with some of the returns they think he will get

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

You don’t trade for Coleman for him to score goals. He comes in and completes a 3rd line playing a possession game and scoring a big goal or 2 in a playoff series.

That’s a lot of money to pay a guy at 34 and 35 to play 3rd line for intangibles AND give up trade assets for

I’ll believe it when I see it

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

That’s a lot of money to pay a guy at 34 and 35 to play 3rd line for intangibles AND give up trade assets for

I’ll believe it when I see it

Things that contribute to good possession numbers and good defence, anlong with things like hitting aren’t intangibles, they’re tangible.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by MrMike

I didn’t say all his fault, but he was the facilitator, you can’t deny that.


And come on, And a free frogurt

There are sprinkles

I just find it curious that at the end of Huberdeau’s first season the Flames wanted to extent Treliving. If signing Huberdeau to that deal was his decision, and his alone, I don’t understand the logic in wanting to bring him back. The only reason I can think as to why they wanted him back is because they’re knew it wasn’t his decision, entirely, and thought he was doing a good job.

In the end, it was Treliving who left the Flames and it’s the flames who, apparently, are butt hurt and refuse to talk trade with Treliving because they’re still jilted.

[memphusk]

I thought Calgary didn't want to extend him?

[Paulie Walnuts]

It was reported he turned down numerous extensions.