2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[jaydub74]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Read some whacko artical that the Rangers players are actively trying to get Drury ousted. Claims that Laviolette is not their gripe it's Drury. Also says he's trying to move Zibenajad along with Kreider. It cites Steve Dangle as a source....so I do think it's more fantasy than fiction. But I do hope it's true.

I don't know the guy personally, but I don't think many Flames fans will feel sorry for Drury. His behavior after being traded to Calgary was childish—he sulked the entire time he was here, and Calgary eventually had to trade him to Buffalo. I’m not disappointed with where he’s ended up in New York; he’s getting what he deserves.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Just maybe teams should do a little more due diligence before hiring coaches.

You bring in guys who don't want to evolve or change and use a blanket system on a team, when they should look at the roster they have and tailor a system and play style to them. I fully understand being good both sides of the puck is important.

The last time the Canucks have played this well and with this much consistency as they have under Tocchet was probably the AV era. Results matter more than player's feelings.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Watch clips of Petterson’s play in the playoffs. Then listen to Tocchet’s recent comments about players on the team not playing with emotion or bringing it every night.

An 11.6 mil blue-skies player who doesn’t bring it when the games get greasy would be an albatross. You might be able to turn him around on a roster filled with veterans who have won the Cup. That’s not the Sabres.

I don't think it's that he didn't care though.

Pettersson never had issues before and at times has shown some grit and some toughness including in the 19-20 playoffs.

His issues after signing his contract were that he let the contract pressure and media negativity get to him and it completely ruined his confidence.

He was at 75 points and 29 goals in 63 games prior to signing his contract on March 3rd.

And he has 46 points and 14 goals in 63 games (including playoffs) since the signing.

And even then the overlooked thing with him is he's still a play driver. 57% xGF and 32 GF / 24 GA during that "slump"

And remember the negotiation was a bit weird. He actually didn't want to re-sign during the season and wanted to wait until the offseason. Then all of a sudden these rumours of the Canucks wanting to trade him popped up and he was rumoured to be going to Carolina, and all of a sudden a deal got done.

Something fractured that relationship during that negotiation and he hasn't quite been the same guy since.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

We are not getting a 2nd for a backup with ####ty stats.

Vladar needs to play more here.

Reto Berra says hi.

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by YyjFlames

Reto Berra says hi.

Yes maybe no

Berra played 1 year in nhl at that time .897.

Approx .885 3 years running for vladar.

All player evaluation. Who is paying? I wouldn't

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Not sure a team gives up 3 first round picks 2 of which were top 10 for a player who has had 100pts once and is signed to a very expensive contract and failed to live up to it in the short time since it was signed. The Benson add is where it gets delusional in my opinion.

Looking at Byram and Cozens as "1st round picks" is incorrect thinking. They were 1st round picks once. They were top prospects once. They might have some untapped potential. But right now, they're a 2nd line center in a bad year and a 2nd pairing d-man who excels playing behind a top guy when he can stay healthy.


You're just not getting a guy who has been talked about as a top ten player in the league as recently as last year for that. Their draft position doesn't matter here. No team makes that deal for this unless they're desperate. That's the Dion Phaneuf deal. That's the Thornton deal.

Canucks need something to keep the roster close to even to even consider this deal. That's what Cozens and Byram are. Then they need something to make trading a current top level player worth it. That's the futures.

Again, this is a lot. This is very close to too much if it isn't already. But too much is usually the cost for this kind of player. The trade is a risk because you lose some depth. You lose some future. But you get a guy who when he is on his game is nearly unstoppable.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by Andrew

Yes maybe no

Berra played 1 year in nhl at that time .897.

Approx .885 3 years running for vladar.

All player evaluation. Who is paying? I wouldn't

Nobody expected Berra to return a second rounder. It was a total shock, as the guy had only 29 games of mediocre NHL hockey experience, after having pretty pedestrian Swiss-A numbers. And he was also already 27.

That was the year that Burke set his asking prices and stood pat waiting for a team to meet it.

It's a good comparable for Vladar and the potential offer that might emerge if Conroy remains patient (which he can be).

[sureLoss]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1869085033677697086

[Andrew]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

https://twitter.com/user/status/1869085033677697086

Kakko should shut up or put up.

That said wouldn't mind him on flames

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Andrew

Kakko should shut up or put up.

That said wouldn't mind him on flames

NYR isn't giving him the opportunity. They're doing to him what we did to Bennett.

I really hope we end up benefitting from NYR's poor handling of him.

[Vinny01]

It doesn’t feel like either team is operating from a position of strength. Something seems to be going on in Vancouver with Pettersson and since committing to the team his performance has been mediocre. Byram has the same amount of points as Pettersson this year.

It would be pretty wild for the Canucks to trade a guy they just committed more than $90M towards and if they are willing to do that there is something wrong with him in their eyes. If the Vancouver pro scouts think that a change of scenery for both Cozens and Byram will see a bounce back and continued growth perhaps it is a deal they want. I just don’t see how another 1st rounder who made the NHL at 18 and had 30pts would be added in order to get the $90M player who is on pace for less than 50pts and has been poor dating back to the second half of last year (despite being all world the previous year and a half before that).

It has the feeling of the Hamilton-Lindholm/Hanifin trade the Flames made with some key differences. Dougie was on a very team friendly deal but only with 3 years left and Lindholm and Hanifin wanted long term deals. The Flamea had to toss in a top prospect (who wouldn’t sign with them or potentially any non NYR team) and a useful top 6 winger on an expiring deal.

In this instance the Sabres would get long term security in the sense Pettersson is locked up for 7 more years but would need him to bounce back to be worth that money. On the flip side Cozens is also in a big money deal that he is not living up to and Byram needs an extension for next year. Perhaps Buffalo takes Myers or another bad money contract back in return or kick in a 2nd but I do not see the gap being a budding top 6 forward on an ELC who has 30+ goal potential.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

It doesn’t feel like either team is operating from a position of strength. Something seems to be going on in Vancouver with Pettersson and since committing to the team his performance has been mediocre. Byram has the same amount of points as Pettersson this year.

What?

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by jaydub74

I don't know the guy personally, but I don't think many Flames fans will feel sorry for Drury. His behavior after being traded to Calgary was childish—he sulked the entire time he was here, and Calgary eventually had to trade him to Buffalo. I’m not disappointed with where he’s ended up in New York; he’s getting what he deserves.

I have no love for Dreary Drury. In a way going from Colorado to Calgary would have been a pretty harsh kick in the nuts at the time. So I can see why he was a bit sour.

But as a player who complained about his salary and if I recall correctly got a 5 year deal for 35 million before his age 31 season and played 3 plus years until he went to LTIRetirement. Him being harsh on veteran guys and trying to get rid of them has a bit of irony.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

It doesn’t feel like either team is operating from a position of strength. Something seems to be going on in Vancouver with Pettersson and since committing to the team his performance has been mediocre. Byram has the same amount of points as Pettersson this year.

It would be pretty wild for the Canucks to trade a guy they just committed more than $90M towards and if they are willing to do that there is something wrong with him in their eyes. If the Vancouver pro scouts think that a change of scenery for both Cozens and Byram will see a bounce back and continued growth perhaps it is a deal they want. I just don’t see how another 1st rounder who made the NHL at 18 and had 30pts would be added in order to get the $90M player who is on pace for less than 50pts and has been poor dating back to the second half of last year (despite being all world the previous year and a half before that).

It has the feeling of the Hamilton-Lindholm/Hanifin trade the Flames made with some key differences. Dougie was on a very team friendly deal but only with 3 years left and Lindholm and Hanifin wanted long term deals. The Flamea had to toss in a top prospect (who wouldn’t sign with them or potentially any non NYR team) and a useful top 6 winger on an expiring deal.

In this instance the Sabres would get long term security in the sense Pettersson is locked up for 7 more years but would need him to bounce back to be worth that money. On the flip side Cozens is also in a big money deal that he is not living up to and Byram needs an extension for next year. Perhaps Buffalo takes Myers or another bad money contract back in return or kick in a 2nd but I do not see the gap being a budding top 6 forward on an ELC who has 30+ goal potential.

I don't think it would be Benson as the add on, and something like the Eichel deal is still the framework (4 pieces).

To me it might look more like this:

Pettersson ($11.6M x 8)

for

Cozens ($7.1M x 6) , Samuelsson ($4.3M x 6), 1st, 2nd: ($11.4M total)

I actually think Samuelsson would be the odd man out in Buffalo before Byram, and think Buffalo would also want more long term money going out.

This keeps the salary hit pretty even, gives the Canucks a 23 and 25 year old piece that are still tied up long term to the core. Cozens slots behind Miller as 2C, and Samuelsson behind Hughes as 2 LD.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Byram has the same amount of points as Pettersson this year.

I think you need to spank that fact checker of yours.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I don't think it would be Benson as the add on, and something like the Eichel deal is still the framework (4 pieces).

To me it might look more like this:

Pettersson ($11.6M x 8)

for

Cozens ($7.1M x 6) , Samuelsson ($4.3M x 6), 1st, 2nd: ($11.4M total)

I actually think Samuelsson would be the odd man out in Buffalo before Byram, and think Buffalo would also want more long term money going out.

This keeps the salary hit pretty even, gives the Canucks a 23 and 25 year old piece that are still tied up long term to the core. Cozens slots behind Miller as 2C, and Samuelsson behind Hughes as 2 LD.

IMO Buffalo doesn't need all 3 of Byram, Dahlin and Power. If Byram wants big money or doesn't want to commit to Buffalo, he should be in the deal.

Samuelsson can bring different skills to the table than the 3 mentioned above.

Vancouver should have much more interest in Byram.

Trading Byran helps Buffalo with taking on Petterson's cap hit

Cozens and Byram for Petterson is good for both teams. Buffalo keeps the picks and Vancouver gets more immediate upside adding Byram.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

It doesn’t feel like either team is operating from a position of strength. Something seems to be going on in Vancouver with Pettersson and since committing to the team his performance has been mediocre. Byram has the same amount of points as Pettersson this year.

Ah, so you're not a serious person. That's cool.

Originally Posted by Vinny01

It would be pretty wild for the Canucks to trade a guy they just committed more than $90M towards and if they are willing to do that there is something wrong with him in their eyes. If the Vancouver pro scouts think that a change of scenery for both Cozens and Byram will see a bounce back and continued growth perhaps it is a deal they want. I just don’t see how another 1st rounder who made the NHL at 18 and had 30pts would be added in order to get the $90M player who is on pace for less than 50pts and has been poor dating back to the second half of last year (despite being all world the previous year and a half before that).

Are you just pulling numbers from the wrong place or are you intentionally trying to take what was a normal and fine discussion and ruin it to prove a point? I'm kind of done with responding to this one until I know where you're coming from. Not sure I want to have this conversation with someone who thinks "winning the convo" is more important than actually having it.

[activeStick]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1869082830350987313

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I don't think it would be Benson as the add on, and something like the Eichel deal is still the framework (4 pieces).

To me it might look more like this:

Pettersson ($11.6M x 8)

for

Cozens ($7.1M x 6) , Samuelsson ($4.3M x 6), 1st, 2nd: ($11.4M total)

I actually think Samuelsson would be the odd man out in Buffalo before Byram, and think Buffalo would also want more long term money going out.

This keeps the salary hit pretty even, gives the Canucks a 23 and 25 year old piece that are still tied up long term to the core. Cozens slots behind Miller as 2C, and Samuelsson behind Hughes as 2 LD.

I don’t see Buffalo adding what would equal a high 1st to make that deal work. Maybe if they had another 1st from a strong team like the Flames do with the Devils/Knights it makes sense but Buffalo should avoid sending any future 1sts out in my opinion.

Byram’s name has been out there and the Canucks have been rumored to have interest so I think he would be part of the deal. I could see them adding a 2nd and maybe taking some money back but unlikely to include a 1st in 25 or 26 with the risk that comes with Pettersson.

They seemed to choose Miller over Horvat and if they choose Miller over Pettersson then getting a big body, right shot 2nd line C who is under 24 is a nice piece of the deal.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I just don’t see how another 1st rounder who made the NHL at 18 and had 30pts would be added in order to get the $90M player who is on pace for less than 50pts and has been poor dating back to the second half of last year (despite being all world the previous year and a half before that).

Also, what???