2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Andrew

Yeah vladar is ok some nights but I don't think numbers lie over 3 years. Has some really bad games and stretches. Pulls numbers down. One of worst goalies in league last 2 years.

Sure. But it's this year that matters. It's about progression, and I think that he has shown a lot more this year than the 'career backup' that many fans immediately and persistently label him with.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Bingo Jr.

Vladar passes the eye test (most nights). His numbers don't tell the full story in my opinion.

Yep, as much as we might not like him around here or see his weakness, the league/GM's still see his value.

Not a full time starter but he's a solid backup.

Carolina wants him, they dont want to pay a 2nd and Craig is stuck on wanting that right now it seems. Carolina not in any rush currently to pull the trigger on said deal.

[Andrew]

I think Craig is out to lunch hey I am not a nhl gm love his other moves

[Paulie Walnuts]

We are not getting a 2nd for a backup with ####ty stats.

Vladar needs to play more here.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Andrew

I think Craig is out to lunch hey I am not a nhl gm love his other moves

Holding out for a better deal because you don't need to trade right now does not equal "out to lunch", lol. C'mon, man.

[dammage79]

Might be a big picture thing. Maybe they don't have full confidence in Ignatjew to keep the Wranglers good times rolling by keeping Cooley up as back up to Wolf for the rest of the year. Do they even have a signed goalie to back up Ignatjew?

[dammage79]

Plus I don't think they really want to burn Wolf out with increased starts after a Vlad trade. I don't know. I really don't. Cooley is a total crap shoot despite his amazing wrangler stats. And so long as the Flames are tip toeing through the playoff weeds, I don't think they'll upset the apple cart in net.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Yep, as much as we might not like him around here or see his weakness, the league/GM's still see his value.

Not a full time starter but he's a solid backup.

Carolina wants him, they dont want to pay a 2nd and Craig is stuck on wanting that right now it seems. Carolina not in any rush currently to pull the trigger on said deal.

I could see waiting working for either team. Conroy isn’t in a rush to trade Vladar at least until the TDL. Carolina might be in a rush if they start struggling but not yet. Carolina can wait for the price to come down or for another goalie to be available that they like as much as Vladar. If that doesn’t happen, they could meet Conroy’s price at the TDL if there isn’t anything else they want to spend their 2nd round pick on (scoring or defence).

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Might be a big picture thing. Maybe they don't have full confidence in Ignatjew to keep the Wranglers good times rolling by keeping Cooley up as back up to Wolf for the rest of the year. Do they even have a signed goalie to back up Ignatjew?

I can't imagine any NHL franchise would make a decision based on the minor league club over what they felt was best for the big club and/or development of said goalie. If they keep Cooley up or send him down it will be in the best interest of the goalie and NHL team.

[The Cobra]

I think Conroy's preference is not to trade Vladar right now, but if someone wants to pay a 2nd, he's prepared to let him go.

And if they don't, he'll hold him until the trade deadline and see what he can get.

Since a 2nd round pick is way for valuable that a 3rd, gambling losing a 3rd to try and get a 2nd is worth the risk IMO.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

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Which is the difference between a Vezina-calibre goalie behind a horrible team and a reasonably average goalie behind a horrible team. League average save percentage is bang on .900 so far this year. Weegar + Andersson + four assorted scrubs are not going to get any goalie close to .900 unless he activates god mode. Wolf has activated a mode I haven't seen since Kiprusoff's best days.

Now, whine some more about killing puppies.

Yes...one goalie is much better than the other one.

Thanks for proving my point.

The goggles some wear around here for the guy is confounding.

Vladar is doing exactly what he has always done at the NHL level, and that is play at less than average at this level. Season 4 right here in Calgary of the same.

But don't let facts and his personality enter the conversation! Shoot the messenger....he kills puppies!

[Toonage]

Wait, Conroy was offered a 2nd for Vladar and he turned it down?

Waiting for a 1st?

Vladar is leaving at the end of the year. They've pretty much told him this when they signed Cooley for 2 years.

You get offered a 2nd, and your options if he leaves is the hottest goalie in the AHL gets to come up?

You trade him.

[Heavy Jack]

I believe he’s waiting to receive a 2nd as an offer; likely has been offered what the flames paid which was a 3rd. No reason CC can’t wait for that 2nd, teams will get desperate.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Wait, Conroy was offered a 2nd for Vladar and he turned it down?

Waiting for a 1st?

Vladar is leaving at the end of the year. They've pretty much told him this when they signed Cooley for 2 years.

You get offered a 2nd, and your options if he leaves is the hottest goalie in the AHL gets to come up?

You trade him.

I think you've misread something here. He's waiting for a 2nd.

[cam_calderon]

If Conny gets a 1st for Vladar, there should be a monument to him at the new arena.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

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Which is the difference between a Vezina-calibre goalie behind a horrible team and a reasonably average goalie behind a horrible team. League average save percentage is bang on .900 so far this year. Weegar + Andersson + four assorted scrubs are not going to get any goalie close to .900 unless he activates god mode. Wolf has activated a mode I haven't seen since Kiprusoff's best days.

Now, whine some more about killing puppies.

Originally Posted by Bingo Jr.

Vladar passes the eye test (most nights). His numbers don't tell the full story in my opinion.

I don’t necessarily think Vladar is a world-beater, but he’s a hell of a lot better than people in here give him credit for. Put him on the Golden Knights and his stats will improve dramatically.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Buffalo is also an example of what happens when you go scorched earth. Been decades since anyone has won anything there. It is a losing culture.

Spending years at the bottom of the standings isn’t the big problem with Buffalo. It’s having their top six forwards and top four D made up almost entirely of 19-26 year olds.

Learning how to defend properly in the NHL and play without the puck takes years. While players are learning how to do that, they need to be insulated by veterans who can be relied on and set an example. A roster made up mostly of players with 1-4 seasons of NHL experience will be terrible at team defence.

Flames fans who call for every vet to be traded away and for the roster to be handed over to the kids should keep that in mind.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I don’t necessarily think Vladar is a world-beater, but he’s a hell of a lot better than people in here give him credit for. Put him on the Golden Knights and his stats will improve dramatically.

He's better than a below average G even though his results have never indicated anything but at the NHL level?

I mean...there is a 4+ season sample size to look at.

Im all for him being great...it would help the Flames. Its just never really materialized even if he has had small stretches where he has looked great.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by transplant99

He's better than a below average G even though his results have never indicated anything but at the NHL level?

I mean...there is a 4+ season sample size to look at.

Im all for him being great...it would help the Flames. Its just never really materialized even if he has had small stretches where he has looked great.

Don’t forget, he had a serious hip issue to deal with the last two years. This season, he was over .900 SV% until recently. Like I said, put him on a better team and watch his stats go way up.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

I believe he’s waiting to receive a 2nd as an offer; likely has been offered what the flames paid which was a 3rd. No reason CC can’t wait for that 2nd, teams will get desperate.

If a team offers a 2nd round pick today you probably take it but if the offers are a 3rd round pick or worse, there's no reason not to wait until closer to the trade deadline. I think the 1A/B rotation is ideal right now to keep Wolf's workload down and there's no point in disrupting that unless a significant offer comes in.