Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Fuzz]

If Pierre governs like he opposes, I think the Liberals will not have as big of an uphill battle as many suggest.

[MrSector9]

So does this mean Freeland rode her bike home to cancel Disney+?

The current group we have to choose from in politics is so disappointing across the board...

Remember when you were a kid and thought adults were smart and knew what to do.... now we are adults as we see the moron brown nosers from high school are the ones leading the country..... the ones that could not have any other career as they suck at basically everything.

[Johnny199r]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Because (a) the Liberals have not actually been that bad with the economy or immigration - you are believing right wing spin and (b) PP is an absolute moron on any actual issue.

Tell me what the CPC policies on the economy are and how in the hell they can implement them.

Right wingers were crowing about Trudeau having a "record" unemployment figure that happened to be lower than under Harper's entire term.

"Believe right wing spin"? Ah, condescending retorts, classy.

The liberals have been terrible with the economy and immigration. To suggest otherwise is outrageous.

This currently GST holiday, attempted $250 cheque bribe and asking the financial minister to resign when she points out these things are idiotic is just the icing on the cake. It never ends.

[shotinthebacklund]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

If Pierre governs like he opposes, I think the Liberals will not have as big of an uphill battle as many suggest.

And Canadians will decide at that point. Call the election and stop this nonsense.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

If Pierre governs like he opposes, I think the Liberals will not have as big of an uphill battle as many suggest.

The knock with Trudeau has always been that he was strictly for optics and not really governing. He was an awful manager, just reading out the same old script all the time and spewing nonsense from a political, economic and prosperity perspective. If the Conservatives didn't have such sad, pathetic opposition leaders during his nearly 10 years in power, he would have fallen much quicker.

Trudeau was never really capable of managing Calgary Puck's off topic thread, let alone a $2 trillion economy. Everybody, including his own team has been saying that for a long time now. People should really listen when being told the truth.

Trudeau set such a low bar for governing and management that anything else from virtually anybody else would be substantially better than him.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Looch City

Canada, as we know it, is basically over.

We are now a #### hole country.

51st state please! ASAP. It is our only hope.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Not sure if people have seen the graph of Canadian GDP per capita vs US, UK, EU. We basically lost a decade of GDP and productivity growth and outside of Alberta at the moment things seem pretty awful.

And it's not like the European comparables have been awesome either. Germany has been self-immolating its economy for years now, France is in more even upheaval than typical, and much of the rest seem to always be in perpetual malaise. I think a lot of global leaders have been busy chasing other distractions, while forgetting that a productive economy is at the root of every healthy country (and that a poor one is usually at the heart of turmoil).

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Johnny199r

"Believe right wing spin"? Ah, condescending retorts, classy.

The liberals have been terrible with the economy and immigration. To suggest otherwise is outrageous.

This currently GST holiday, attempted $250 cheque bribe and asking the financial minister to resign when she points out these things are idiotic is just the icing on the cake. It never ends.

I literally posted expert articles showing you are wrong. You think just declaring the economy is bad makes it so.

I see you haven’t posted a single CPC policy.

Do the Liberals have some bad single ideas? Sure. But at least their policies aren’t based on overall trickle down strategies that have proven to fail.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by curves2000

The knock with Trudeau has always been that he was strictly for optics and not really governing. He was an awful manager, just reading out the same old script all the time and spewing nonsense from a political, economic and prosperity perspective. If the Conservatives didn't have such sad, pathetic opposition leaders during his nearly 10 years in power, he would have fallen much quicker.

Trudeau was never really capable of managing Calgary Puck's off topic thread, let alone a $2 trillion economy. Everybody, including his own team has been saying that for a long time now. People should really listen when being told the truth.

Trudeau set such a low bar for governing and management that anything else from virtually anybody else would be substantially better than him.

Strictly for optics is PP’s whole career.

And if you think a carbon tax was done for optics I don’t think you are thinking it through.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by curves2000

The knock with Trudeau has always been that he was strictly for optics and not really governing. He was an awful manager, just reading out the same old script all the time and spewing nonsense from a political, economic and prosperity perspective. If the Conservatives didn't have such sad, pathetic opposition leaders during his nearly 10 years in power, he would have fallen much quicker.

Trudeau was never really capable of managing Calgary Puck's off topic thread, let alone a $2 trillion economy. Everybody, including his own team has been saying that for a long time now. People should really listen when being told the truth.

Trudeau set such a low bar for governing and management that anything else from virtually anybody else would be substantially better than him.

well, to be fair, we are basically unmanageable here!

[Locke]

So does this mean the Budget isn't going to balance itself?

Despite being hastily scrawled on the back of a cocktail napkin at the 11th hour? Presumably in crayon.

They should invite the Convoy Truckers back, at least those guys knew how to hold a Party together.

[Brendone]

Originally Posted by Locke

So does this mean the Budget isn't going to balance itself?

Despite being hastily scrawled on the back of a cocktail napkin at the 11th hour? Presumably in crayon.

They should invite the Convoy Truckers back, at least those guys knew how to hold a Party together.

Does declaring bankruptcy count as balancing your budget?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Brendone

Does declaring bankruptcy count as balancing your budget?

You have to ask Justin. He's the expert.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

From my link:
Because this is not 'back to work' legislation, it isn't the same as the 2011 situation. So it is indeterminate if the courts would find it a Charter violation, but on the face of it, it seems this was designed to specifically have avoided that.

It’s already being challenged from previous recent times the government has intervened. Personally I don’t think arguing over the semantics that a pausing is different from stopping it altogether is going to hold water in court since the end result is the same, the employees were denied the ability to continue legally striking.

But I’ll tell you what, if I’m wrong I owe you a beer. How does that sound?

I guess I'm a sucker for punishment.

So not just a sucker for believing Canada post when they told you they’d get your shipments delivered on time? Ok ok I’m just kidding and that’s the last time I’ll bring that up.

But man I don’t know what you’re so worked up about. I generally think you make good posts but we’re not always gonna agree on everything and that’s ok. Whether you believe me or not I honestly engage in good faith and try to be very careful not to post things that aren’t based on facts. Maybe, using a little too much sarcasm at times but that’s subjective.

The accusations directed at me by a number of posters that I’m basically absolving CUPW from any missteps in this process or think unions can do no wrong aren’t rooted in reality. Problem is people seem to get hyper focused on the things I point out in what they post as either misleading or untrue and get caught up trying to argue against that. Just because I’m not going out of my way to criticize a union like some posters, doesn’t meant I don’t have any criticism. It seems many people are more concerned with portraying my views as one sided rather than actually asking me what I think that side should do differently. Even on this dispute I said early on that both sides needed to compromise, but I suppose that’s just one sided to some.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Strictly for optics is PP’s whole career.

And if you think a carbon tax was done for optics I don’t think you are thinking it through.

The Carbon tax was done for that specific purpose, Canada really is not really some sort of environmental leader globally. This was being sold as some magic answer when in reality it was a poor policy. The person who will most likely lead the Liberal Party going forward, Mark Carney, who has massive economic clout thinks it's got to go.

I will be a very harsh Pierre critic, despite a friendly relationship with his family on a personal level. I will wait to judge him on how well he does when in an actual governing position. He will need to make major changes from his tone once in government but we will see. Personal prediction is that he won't have the staying power unless he does change specific aspects of his tone.

I will agree with you that I would love Gio for PM! Love that guy, his story and his leadership

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Then I kept reading and noticed that you’d gone into your pretend to care about workers when it’s convenient for attacking political opponents and maybe collect a paycheque routine. Now I have to pm Dion to tell him that he was technically right and Christmas is ruined, but that it’s actually Firebot’s fault and not the posties. Way to ruin Dion’s Christmas, Firebot.

Too much spiked eggnog last night?

I don't even know what to comment there After a full 2 days of unapologetic defending of union actions you seem to have gone off the deep end and argued against whoever dared question the impacts of the strike to Canadians. And now you are trying to backtrack pretending to be objective on the matter.

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Whether you believe me or not I honestly engage in good faith and try to be very careful not to post things that aren’t based on facts.

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Way to ruin Dion’s Christmas, Firebot.

Ok.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Slava

well, to be fair, we are basically unmanageable here!

But we all have at least 4 million in our investment accounts! We don't have to listen to nobody!

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

This is the cumulation of years of mismanaging the economy. Reckless spending on ideological initiatives, while at the same time not developing the Canadian economy in the slightest, has led to what I can only presume is a disastrous financial update. Canada has always been a resource extraction economy and the engine of that for the better part of the past century has been focused on fossil fuel extraction and the government has done a relatively good job of cutting out the legs on the industry. I understand that it is a complicated topic and that something needs to be done regarding climate change - but we have moral superiority at the expense of our economy.

Will we as a country be able to support some degree of fiscal restraint in the coming years?

[Slava]

Anyone know what time Trudeau is supposed to face the media? I figure while I'm getting sucked into politics today, I might as well try to see the main event.

[shotinthebacklund]

Originally Posted by Slava

Anyone know what time Trudeau is supposed to fact the media? I figure while I'm getting sucked into politics today, I might as well try to see the main event.

Has not been announced. Has not even been confirmed he will speak today. CBC saying rumours are growing of a resignation.