Calgary Public Transit - Discussion

[Robbob]

They can still go down 2st SW and end up in Eau Claire. The hard part is still what do you do from there. With those +30s at 9th ave you would need to get up close to 4 stories before going back down.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

https://bsky.app/profile/kourtpenner.../3ld77json7c2m

Umm...did she mis three 000s? I don't think the project fell apart over $700k...

Originally Posted by getbak

Yeah, this is one where the devil is really in the details. I don't have a problem with going elevated down 10th and into the core, but the real question is how they get over the parkade at 9th and +30 at The Core.

Also, the quote from the idiot Dreeshen that it should go south to Seton before it goes north of 7th Ave just makes me glad that he'll be long gone before it gets to that point and we can hopefully have non-idiots making the decisions by then.

It's pretty simple: way over. CPKC demands like 14m of clearance, which is essentially +45 level. Hopefully it drops to +30 for the station though (which would be mean changing that +30)

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

So they blew up Eau Claire for nothing.

It'll still go through there eventually (though I think there are better options). But they expropriated those condos way earlier than they needed to.

If it has to run through PIP like this (again, it doesn't), I actually think staying elevated all the way through will be better than the alternative.

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Spent a lot of money moving utilities downtown too.

I believe that's all still necessary for this alignment...at least 2nd St. All of the 11th Ave work might have been a waste though (but I wonder where it was in its life cycle?)

[GGG]

I don’t mind this alignment. Would have liked to have the city’s transit group look at the reports and have comments on it before the public part of it.

Since this is the provinces alignment though they should be on the hook for over runs. Just like the city studies that were slanted to show tunneling was best this report was designed to build to Shepard within X budget.

[Bill Bumface]

Easy. They can just turn the +15s into at-grade crossings with the tracks.

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[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Spent a lot of money moving utilities downtown too.

Worse, there are now a bunch of unserviced lots in Victoria Park that were going to be re-serviced as part of the green line construction. Now we get to dig it up again to put services back, but with no train this time.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Locke

Just run the C-Train right through it. What could go wrong?

Why should the Blue and Red lines be the only lines taking out pedestrians on 7th Ave?

[kevman]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Umm...did she mis three 000s? I don't think the project fell apart over $700k...

Post deleted now. I was confused by that too. If the project was a million off being funded, the province wouldn't have shut it down. What am I missing here?

[The Fisher Account]

Ask yourself.. at the end of the day, is $2.5M pesos well spent for the UCP to blow up this slate of Council members and destroy any and all good-will for local government going into the 2025 election season?

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

Ask yourself.. at the end of the day, is $2.5M pesos well spent for the UCP to blow up this slate of Council members and destroy any and all good-will for local government going into the 2025 election season?

I mean, this council was already historically unpopular. I dont think this has made them any less popular, because they're bottomed out.

[woob]

How does the maintenance cost of tunnel versus elevated compare? Are we saving short term money to spend more long term?

[Freeway]

The CalgaryNEXT of light rail plans.

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by woob

How does the maintenance cost of tunnel versus elevated compare? Are we saving short term money to spend more long term?

The studies from 2016 for the sections from the north and the beltline had noted that tunnels were the most expensive capital and operating option, with elevated in the middle.



North: https://pub-calgary.escribemeetings....ocumentId=8290

Beltline: https://pub-calgary.escribemeetings....ocumentId=7676

Because of cost, the northern part of the tunnel from 20th Av N to Eau Claire had already been cut in 2020 and reducing the length by 40%.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Freeway

The CalgaryNEXT of light rail plans.

At least CalgaryNEXT had renderings of what it would look like.


This summarizes my thoughts pretty well: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...ysis-1.7410946

The questions are many. What will be the shadowing impact? How are street parking and adjacent parkades affected? What sort of stairwells, ramps or — outdoor escalators? — will bring people down from the two proposed stations?

Impact on downtown traffic? There will be no driving lanes affected in the Beltline on 10th, Dreeshen told CBC News in an interview, but "I think there is one lane on Second [Street] that will be affected."

The potential impact on businesses in the Beltline and downtown because of shadowing, parking loss and the forced removal/relocation of Plus-15 overpasses would obviously be cause for concern.

[topfiverecords]

Zero chance that The Core / Scotia lets them break that +15/+30 connection there. That’s a major major connection to significant downtown worker traffic.

If they want that route they’re going to have to go over.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Zero chance that The Core / Scotia lets them break that +15/+30 connection there. That’s a major major connection to significant downtown worker traffic.

If they want that route they’re going to have to go over.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Zero chance that The Core / Scotia lets them break that +15/+30 connection there. That’s a major major connection to significant downtown worker traffic.

If they want that route they’re going to have to go over.

Also, when you consider how thick the concrete under the tracks need to be (look at the Blue Line as it leaves downtown: https://maps.app.goo.gl/umUHJpG1x3UUqXz37), the platform for the 7th Ave station is going to be at least 5 storeys up.

[Ironhorse]

Nah, they’ll just go with steel girders like in Brooklyn and Chicago. Much thinner and the same strenght.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Zero chance that The Core / Scotia lets them break that +15/+30 connection there. That’s a major major connection to significant downtown worker traffic.

If they want that route they’re going to have to go over.

I mean, the eau claire condo owners didn't want to sell either and the city made them. I wonder what type of property rights they even have over a plus 15. I doubt it's deeded real estate - and even if it is eminent domain would be an option. They also might like having a train station adjacent to their mall for commuter traffic.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

I mean, the eau claire condo owners didn't want to sell either and the city made them. I wonder what type of property rights they even have over a plus 15. I doubt it's deeded real estate - and even if it is eminent domain would be an option. They also might like having a train station adjacent to their mall for commuter traffic.

City owns the +15s and has easements through the buildings for certain degrees of access.