There's buy-low appeal, but I generally agree - Cozens is not the tier of player that the Flames need.
I agree. We need real 1st line Centre and 1st pairing Dman to have a good core players to build a contending team.
I believe Zary and Honzek will become 2a/2b Cs for us, and we need one more great D to play with Parekh. And Wolf will be good at G.
I think no other teams will trade their future star players to us so the draft is the best chance that we find the missing 2-3 players, and 2025 and 2026 drafts are crucial for us.
So don't trade any younger player and draft picks, but continue trade older guys for draft picks.
And I think, it's almost Zary's, Coronato's and Wolf's team right now and will be next year.
Do people watch Cozens play or just want him for his name? The guy looks terrible, Zary looks way better in the last 2 years
I don’t think the people clamouring for him actually watched him play. Did anyone even notice him against us ?
You want to use other players who Buffalo traded and they did well on other teams you could see the potential and for a few they realized it in Buffalo just had issues with the team.
Cozens sucks. He likely has peaked and is on a Lindholm trajectory but at least Lindholm wins faceoffs. Cozens even sucks at that.
We need a center but we aren’t desperate for other teams garbage that are locked up to long term big money deals.
I don’t think the people clamouring for him actually watched him play. Did anyone even notice him against us ?
You want to use other players who Buffalo traded and they did well on other teams you could see the potential and for a few they realized it in Buffalo just had issues with the team.
Cozens sucks. He likely has peaked and is on a Lindholm trajectory but at least Lindholm wins faceoffs. Cozens even sucks at that.
We need a center but we aren’t desperate for other teams garbage that are locked up to long term big money deals.
I love it when people conclude that "you don't share my opinion so you must not have watched the player".
The attraction of Cozens isn't how he is playing now. It's based on the skill, attributes and potential. Again, he's a big skilled centre who can skate, with a reputation for being high character and works hard. It just isn't working in Buffalo.
If he was living up to the potential, he wouldn't be available.
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I agree. We need real 1st line Centre and 1st pairing Dman to have a good core players to build a contending team.
I believe Zary and Honzek will become 2a/2b Cs for us, and we need one more great D to play with Parekh. And Wolf will be good at G.
I think no other teams will trade their future star players to us so the draft is the best chance that we find the missing 2-3 players, and 2025 and 2026 drafts are crucial for us.
So don't trade any younger player and draft picks, but continue trade older guys for draft picks.
And I think, it's almost Zary's, Coronato's and Wolf's team right now and will be next year.
We don't just need a first line centre. We need a first, second and third line centre long-term. Zary and Honzek are not strong bets to be a second line centre. More likely wingers in my view.
I think Cozens can be a good #2 pivot in the right environment. That's what you are hoping for if you go and get him.
We be-moan when other teams make these deals to get a guy that then pops with them. This is what those deals look like. The player you are acquiring is under performing. That's why he's available. Doesn't mean it works every time. But you have to assess the risk/reward of it.
If you can trade a late first, as the primary piece, for Cozens, I do it ALL DAY LONG. Because the chances you get a guy as good as him in the 20s, is very slim. And if he ends up being a 3rd line centre - so what - means he's overpaid maybe by 2M tops.
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I love it when people conclude that "you don't share my opinion so you must not have watched the player".
The attraction of Cozens isn't how he is playing now. It's based on the skill, attributes and potential. Again, he's a big skilled centre who can skate, with a reputation for being high character and works hard. It just isn't working in Buffalo.
If he was living up to the potential, he wouldn't be available.
So your attraction to him his stats on hockeydb?
Players with all those attributes plus “works hard” don’t #### the bed like he has. Even his underlying metrics show a player who doesn’t do anything.
Not good at any facet of the game.
I’d much rather target a player who you don’t have to go after the game to see if he actually played and see he logged 16 minutes.
Not sure why you have to insult, but Conroy's got a pretty clear MO of going after players who haven't yet popped, but may still have potential, or who had a good season or two and then slipped.
I mean, Washington has a guy who has 36 points, who never got going in Arizona, and fell out of favour in Chicago with his overall play and inconsistency.
We don't just need a first line centre. We need a first, second and third line centre long-term. Zary and Honzek are not strong bets to be a second line centre. More likely wingers in my view.
I think Cozens can be a good #2 pivot in the right environment. That's what you are hoping for if you go and get him.
We be-moan when other teams make these deals to get a guy that then pops with them. This is what those deals look like. The player you are acquiring is under performing. That's why he's available. Doesn't mean it works every time. But you have to assess the risk/reward of it.
If you can trade a late first, as the primary piece, for Cozens, I do it ALL DAY LONG. Because the chances you get a guy as good as him in the 20s, is very slim. And if he ends up being a 3rd line centre - so what - means he's overpaid maybe by 2M tops.
This is the best reason to go after Cozens, if you can get him for a buy low opportunity and he addresses a need that will take the organization 5-6 years to address through the draft. The same logic applies to McTavish I guess as well.
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Not sure why you have to insult, but Conroy's got a pretty clear MO of going after players who haven't yet popped, but may still have potential, or who had a good season or two and then slipped.
I mean, Washington has a guy who has 36 points, who never got going in Arizona, and fell out of favour in Chicago with his overall play and inconsistency.
I’m insulting Jerry. I’m talking about the player. I don’t believe he’s good and people just want him because he’s big and peaked a few years ago.
I don’t want a Lindholm type on the team. I want a player who can drive play and make his wingers better.
Since 2000 this franchise has had a winger carry our top line. That’s needs to change.
Sure, but who is trading someone who is that already? Most teams trade for someone with warts or who hasn't proven yet or who has disappointed. A lot of times it doesn't work out. Sometimes it does.
Sure, but who is trading someone who is that already? Most teams trade for someone with warts or who hasn't proven yet or who has disappointed. A lot of times it doesn't work out. Sometimes it does.
Teams that win draft and develop their players.
They don’t start trading picks prospects when they haven’t even made their first pick in the rebuild.
I don’t think the people clamouring for him actually watched him play. Did anyone even notice him against us ?
You want to use other players who Buffalo traded and they did well on other teams you could see the potential and for a few they realized it in Buffalo just had issues with the team.
Cozens sucks. He likely has peaked and is on a Lindholm trajectory but at least Lindholm wins faceoffs. Cozens even sucks at that.
We need a center but we aren’t desperate for other teams garbage that are locked up to long term big money deals.
You have brought up “did you notice him against us” a couple of times. I’m starting to think this is the only time you have seen him.
I’ve watched him plenty since he came into league. I drafted him in my keeper pool and I keep very good tabs on players I draft. This kid is big , can fly on the ice and has some serious skills. Even though he only got 49 points last year , which is still pretty good considering age, he looked dangerous a lot of the time. I will give you he doesn’t look great this year when I have seen him.
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Except for Florida, who traded for Bennett, Tkachuk, and Forsling
And Vegas
The Avs traded for Toews and Kadri and signed Nuke as a free agent.
The Blues traded for O'Reilly
The Lightning traded for Coleman.
Look, you need drafted players, but you still need to bring in outside players, and if they're really good players, you get them because they want out from their former team (like Tkachuk) or fell out of favour (Like Bennet, Forsling, Kadri, and O'Reilly) There were all sorts of questions raised about whether Tkachuk could win, or Kadri could behave, or O'REilly could win, or whether Bennet was anything more than guy who took stupid penalties.
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Except for Florida, who traded for Bennett, Tkachuk, and Forsling
And Vegas
The Avs traded for Toews and Kadri and signed Nuke as a free agent.
The Blues traded for O'Reilly
The Lightning traded for Coleman.
Look, you need drafted players, but you still need to bring in outside players, and if they're really good players, you get them because they want out from their former team (like Tkachuk) or fell out of favour (Like Bennet, Forsling, Kadri, and O'Reilly) There were all sorts of questions raised about whether Tkachuk could win, or Kadri could behave, or O'REilly could win, or whether Bennet was anything more than guy who took stupid penalties.
Those were additions to a core, which the Flames currently don't have.
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I don’t think the people clamouring for him actually watched him play. Did anyone even notice him against us ?
You want to use other players who Buffalo traded and they did well on other teams you could see the potential and for a few they realized it in Buffalo just had issues with the team.
Cozens sucks. He likely has peaked and is on a Lindholm trajectory but at least Lindholm wins faceoffs. Cozens even sucks at that.
We need a center but we aren’t desperate for other teams garbage that are locked up to long term big money deals.
All of this could have been said about Sam Bennett at one point in time. He was For a significant amount of his Flames tenure, not much more than a warm body on the ice.
I’m insulting Jerry. I’m talking about the player. I don’t believe he’s good and people just want him because he’s big and peaked a few years ago.
I don’t want a Lindholm type on the team. I want a player who can drive play and make his wingers better.
Since 2000 this franchise has had a winger carry our top line. That’s needs to change.
Again Lindholm was a good player for several years on this team. Getting him was a great trade.
A play driving centre that makes their wingers better is a top line centre. I'm not suggesting he's that - but you need more than just that. He can anchor a 2nd line.
Except for Florida, who traded for Bennett, Tkachuk, and Forsling
And Vegas
The Avs traded for Toews and Kadri and signed Nuke as a free agent.
The Blues traded for O'Reilly
The Lightning traded for Coleman.
Look, you need drafted players, but you still need to bring in outside players, and if they're really good players, you get them because they want out from their former team (like Tkachuk) or fell out of favour (Like Bennet, Forsling, Kadri, and O'Reilly) There were all sorts of questions raised about whether Tkachuk could win, or Kadri could behave, or O'REilly could win, or whether Bennet was anything more than guy who took stupid penalties.
So the Flames are teady to take the next step and compete for a cup?
Those are the examples your provided.
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