[PGT] Tampa douses the Flames 8-3.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Awful game for the defense as a whole. Vladar is a slightly above average back up that was hung out to dry. I don't put this on him at all. The fact is there was maybe like 1 goal that was bad and if the team cant overcome one muffin once and awhile it isn't going anywhere. I just hope they don't end up 9th or something and miss out on their pick.

Yeah, I mean, Vasilevsky was arguably no better than Vladar last night, but his team was better than Vladar’s.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Teams often pull a goalie at 6.

Here is a fun article where Conroy reflects on Roy’s last game in Montreal

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/calgar...me-in-montreal

“He talked to Mr. Corey and then he walked behind me and sat down,” recalled Conroy, who was a 24-year-old rookie. “He spoke in French, so I didn’t know what he said, but my buddy, Scott Fraser was right next to me and said, ‘This will be his last game as a Canadien.’

“Then he told us in the locker room as he was leaving. I think the one thing he took was his helmet as he walked out.”

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The whole team had a bad game and I don't think that was on Vladar.

I'd say the only real criticism of Vladar would be the second goal and especially the timing of it. The game was pretty even up to that point and it did create a bit of a snowball effect (with the undisciplined play also playing a factor in the two PP goals against).

After that the Flames had to start chasing the game and Tampa Bay is not an offense you want to have to stretch out against and chase the game, because they will crush you in transition once you're stretched out.

It's an issue he had the past two seasons in terms of letting in a soft goal at an inopportune time of the game and it popped up again last night. He's been able to avoid it for the most part this season though.

This is valid, however, let's look at it from the other end...

The 3rd goal (Zary's) on Vasilevsky was not good. And the timing of it was terrible, as it closed the gap to one and gave the Flames huge momentum. Had the Flames come back and won, it would be easy to point the finger at Vas and say he blew it and let them back in it.

Except for one thing: unlike Vladar's team-mates, Vas's teammates kept playing and played well. It's easy to say the 2nd goal was at an inopportune time, and cost the team, but the fact of the matter is the team played like ####.

WAY too much blame goes to the goalies. Of course the occasional bad one is going to get by them (all of them), but it's a team game.

I would argue that Vladar was the best Flame last night - can't think of any other candidates, off the top of my head.

[undercoverbrother]

I have tickets to the game on Saturday with my nephew who is in town from Denver and my boy who is home from school.

I hope the Flames don't #### the bed

[Samonadreau]

Glad I missed this one.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

This is valid, however, let's look at it from the other end...

The 3rd goal (Zary's) on Vasilevsky was not good. And the timing of it was terrible, as it closed the gap to one and gave the Flames huge momentum. Had the Flames come back and won, it would be easy to point the finger at Vas [/[[I][/I]B]B]and say he blew it and let them back in it.

Except for one thing: unlike Vladar's team-mates, Vas's teammates kept playing and played well. It's easy to say the 2nd goal was at an inopportune time, and cost the team, but the fact of the matter is the team played like ####.

WAY too much blame goes to the goalies. Of course the occasional bad one is going to get by them (all of them), but it's a team game.

I would argue that Vladar was the best Flame last night - can't think of any other candidates, off the top of my head.

Pelletier was the best Flame last night.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by boogerz

Weegar was receiving Norris votes when he was paired with decent partners (Ekblad, Chariot, and Forsling) prior to coming to Calgary.

He deserves the benefit of the doubt for an off-game while trying to carry a #6 dman partner against one of the highest scoring offenses in the league

Weegar is good but just shows how thin the roster is. Players will have off games but there are no real backups for when Andersson or Weegar do.

[dammage79]

Miro looks to be on the outside of the top 6 I lieu of Hanley. At practice today.

Everyone had a bad game last night But Miro may have been at the top of the list.

[GettinIggyWithIt]

Originally Posted by zukes

This is all I want. One or the other, nothing in between. I love playoff hockey, this year as long as it means no trading of future assets than go for it! If not, get into the bottom ten!

I said this in another thread, but I honestly believe that the Flames will find themselves in the bottom ten by the end of December, flip some players in the new year, call up some others, and will likely stay down there. Just my hunch.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It's a bad team. It's a mostly young and inexperienced defense. Last night was a tough night, they happen. This was expected BY EVERYONE before the season started. But when it happens, and we see the underbelly of a rebuild, everyone loses their #### and wants to throw the goalie under the bus.

I just shake my head at some of the takes in here.

It's probably built in from years of the club trying to win while being average. Playing the blame game after losses is ritual.

Hard to switch gears and just say "oh well, bad team"

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

So long story short, I see you can start off your posts telling us how you feel about yourself (about as even as they come), and then you can tell us how you get triggered by me not blaming a goalie on a bad team night. Just at the end of the day, once you understand my point, I think you will find I was right :-) haha

You are putting words in my mouth. You defend all Flames backups that's what triggered me because it's weird to me when someone gets fixated on players they lose all objectivity. I wasn't blaming Vladar at all for last night. Heck I never made a single post in the game thread. I went into this thread just to see the reaction from what was a poor team outing and saw you doing your thing. I wanted the Flames to lost this game and I actually think Vladar is perfect for what the Flames need to accomplish this season. The Flames don't need goaltenders stealing victories this season as they need to pick top 10. Like I said before Vladar seems like a good guy and ideally he would be better but he's not and he's not likely to be on the roster next season. The Canucks picked up Lankinen off the scrap heap right before the season and he's much better than Vladar and guys like him will be available in the offseason if the Flames want to look at a 1B goaltender.

[DeluxeMoustache]

lol. Flames win 3-2 with Lank, eh?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by GettinIggyWithIt

I said this in another thread, but I honestly believe that the Flames will find themselves in the bottom ten by the end of December, flip some players in the new year, call up some others, and will likely stay down there. Just my hunch.

The Flames fall out of a playoff spot with this loss.

At this point, I'm definitely pro tank. This team is clearly way outmatched against legit contenders. Hustle can only get you so far. A nice skid followed by a big deal for Andersson and/or Weegar would be nice way to end the year out.

[Ped]

Goalies are voodoo so hard to judge, but Lankinen does have much better stats than Vladar in his career, and he played 2 years for a bad Chicago team.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by blankall

The Flames fall out of a playoff spot with this loss.

At this point, I'm definitely pro tank. This team is clearly way outmatched against legit contenders. Hustle can only get you so far. A nice skid followed by a big deal for Andersson and/or Weegar would be nice way to end the year out.

Actually they did not.

Still in a wild car spot based on winning %, but not based on points.

Same as before yesterday, as Colorado also lost.

But it’s just matter of time.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

The goalies were stealing games, right now they're not. With how much pressure the team was putting on them, that ebbs and flow was probably to be expected.

Wolf in November would've made that game close. He was that dialed in. I hope we see him get his confidence up again soon.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I have to disagree on a lot of takes - both goalies have been good. This is a bad team, and they have covered up a lot of warts, especially lately with the poor coverage creeping into the games. I actually don't really care about what Vladar has done or has not done in the previous seasons - he has been great THIS season when he has been tasked to play much more and actually vying for a starter's job for the first time in his career. I think he has been up to the challenge and has kept the Flames in a lot of games.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

The goalies were stealing games, right now they're not. With how much pressure the team was putting on them, that ebbs and flow was probably to be expected.

Wolf in November would've made that game close. He was that dialed in. I hope we see him get his confidence up again soon.

No, no goalie makes that game close

Team flat out got destroyed

All teams have games where they crap the bed, and no goalie in the world can change the outcome

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

You are putting words in my mouth. You defend all Flames backups that's what triggered me because it's weird to me when someone gets fixated on players they lose all objectivity. I wasn't blaming Vladar at all for last night. Heck I never made a single post in the game thread. I went into this thread just to see the reaction from what was a poor team outing and saw you doing your thing. I wanted the Flames to lost this game and I actually think Vladar is perfect for what the Flames need to accomplish this season. The Flames don't need goaltenders stealing victories this season as they need to pick top 10. Like I said before Vladar seems like a good guy and ideally he would be better but he's not and he's not likely to be on the roster next season. The Canucks picked up Lankinen off the scrap heap right before the season and he's much better than Vladar and guys like him will be available in the offseason if the Flames want to look at a 1B goaltender.

No he isn't.

Flame fans hate Flame goalies (other than Kipper and Wolf), it's unbelievable

[dammage79]

The entire Flames roster didn't just get walked on last night. They were seriously outclassed by a championship caliber team. The lightning made the Flames look so inferior. That's not Vlad's fault.

My opinion the 2nd goal the lightning scored was his only goal he should have had. Every other goal was a joke told by the players in front of him. Others have said it, but no goalie on the planet could have stopped what Vlad faced last night, it was cheat mode stuff.