Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

What does Pierre think of all this?

I have been overseas and haven't been paying attention to the daily headlines with this particular situation to the same degree as I usually do, but the proper political play is nothing. Pierre will just allow this to look really bad for the Liberals. They may have a plan for Canada Post in a new government or they may not but changes are coming.

This another disaster on a long list of poorly played scenarios that the federal Liberals have allowed. They have managed to piss off union labour to an untold degree with all the recent strikes/work stoppages/ government interference. They have pissed off Canadians yet again with another federal agency or federally regulated industry really disrupting the lives and livelihoods of people and business owners. They have shown yet again to the international business community just how unserious they are with a proper business and economic strategy.

In typical Canadian pathetic fashion, American industry is going to just add more market in terms of Amazon, Fedex, UPS and more.

Canada, the Canadian government, Canada Post, Canada Post union and all played this wrong. It's going to have consequences long term because changes are going to be forced upon everybody very soon.

[Sylvanfan]

Canada Post has mostly missed the Holliday shipping boom that generates much needed revenue. Come January, I don't know if the corporation has much incentive to bring people back to work so they can get back to profusely bleeding money. As much as the Union hates this...if they're not forced to work now, this could go to November of next year.

[chemgear]

Singh is warming up his caps lock button to strongly tweet about Trudeau killing the working man. And then back his government once again lol.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Johnny199r

The Canada Post strike failed spectacularly for the workers.

1 month with no pay, a generally annoyed public, probably lost clients for the employer and ordered back to work.

It will be interesting to see what comes of it in the end though. Sometimes not showing up for work presses people into seeing your value and why you should be paid more.

And sometimes it shows people that they barely need you at all.

Honestly? The Postal Strike has hardly affected me, I've barely noticed. They can stay on strike. I dont think they really should be legislated back to work.

And they may even get their raises...but after firmly demonstrating to their employer that maybe you dont need as many of them as you have...

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I have been overseas and haven't been paying attention to the daily headlines with this particular situation to the same degree as I usually do, but the proper political play is nothing. Pierre will just allow this to look really bad for the Liberals. They may have a plan for Canada Post in a new government or they may not but changes are coming.

This another disaster on a long list of poorly played scenarios that the federal Liberals have allowed. They have managed to piss off union labour to an untold degree with all the recent strikes/work stoppages/ government interference. They have pissed off Canadians yet again with another federal agency or federally regulated industry really disrupting the lives and livelihoods of people and business owners. They have shown yet again to the international business community just how unserious they are with a proper business and economic strategy.

In typical Canadian pathetic fashion, American industry is going to just add more market in terms of Amazon, Fedex, UPS and more.

Canada, the Canadian government, Canada Post, Canada Post union and all played this wrong. It's going to have consequences long term because changes are going to be forced upon everybody very soon.

So, what does Pierre think of all of this?

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Locke

It will be interesting to see what comes of it in the end though. Sometimes not showing up for work presses people into seeing your value and why you should be paid more.

And sometimes it shows people that they barely need you at all.

Honestly? The Postal Strike has hardly affected me, I've barely noticed. They can stay on strike. I dont think they really should be legislated back to work.

And they may even get their raises...but after firmly demonstrating to their employer that maybe you dont need as many of them as you have...

the union would hate me as I don't think people need door to door mail any longer.
That should probably be eliminated. Don't fire anyone but let the losses happen through attrition, and take the rest and put them on the parcel side where the company might still make money. and tell all the workers that some of them might be required to work weekends. Give them their 20% raise over 4 years though, and maintain benefits.

I think Harper tried it about 10 years ago. Perhaps now it the time for it to happen.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

So, what does Pierre think of all of this?

You tell me.

You have the same access to google that I do.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Johnny199r

The Canada Post strike failed spectacularly for the workers.

1 month with no pay, a generally annoyed public, probably lost clients for the employer and ordered back to work.

I wonder if the union told their employees that wages lost during a strike are never recovered.

This will encourage small business and others to find a more reliable service to deliver their goods. Canada Post is a dying business and sadly the employees couldn't see that.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Locke

It will be interesting to see what comes of it in the end though. Sometimes not showing up for work presses people into seeing your value and why you should be paid more.

And sometimes it shows people that they barely need you at all.

Honestly? The Postal Strike has hardly affected me, I've barely noticed. They can stay on strike. I dont think they really should be legislated back to work.

And they may even get their raises...but after firmly demonstrating to their employer that maybe you dont need as many of them as you have...

I think there would come a point where the employees would get tired of all of the lost wages and the drain on their bank accounts as they try to pay their bills. End up telling the Union they need to go back to work as they can't afford to be on strike any longer.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Locke

Honestly? The Postal Strike has hardly affected me, I've barely noticed. They can stay on strike. I dont think they really should be legislated back to work.
:

Well my recycling of junk flyers have dropped off.

Do we even need a national postal service anymore?

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Well my recycling of junk flyers have dropped off.

Do we even need a national postal service anymore?

You do if you do not live in an urban center. Amazon, UPS and other private enterprises will not take a loss delivering to places that are not easily assessable. For me, it's about sovereignty, but I also think that it's a poorly run company, and the union leadership is pretty much useless.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Locke

It will be interesting to see what comes of it in the end though. Sometimes not showing up for work presses people into seeing your value and why you should be paid more.

And sometimes it shows people that they barely need you at all.

Honestly? The Postal Strike has hardly affected me, I've barely noticed. They can stay on strike. I dont think they really should be legislated back to work.

And they may even get their raises...but after firmly demonstrating to their employer that maybe you dont need as many of them as you have...

I think it has affected quite a bit.

Work wise, we have had to pivot for paying clients and serving documents. Purolator has essentially told us they expect 2 week delays on these processes now. Having CP back will be very helpful.

Personally, being in Calgary, i havent noticed the effects; however, its pretty clear from my friends in more rural areas that its much harder to serve those areas through private companies

[Locke]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Well my recycling of junk flyers have dropped off.

Do we even need a national postal service anymore?

I believe we do and I believe that its an essential service for 2 main reasons.

Firstly it provides at least a little competition to other providers to keep costs manageable and secondly it serves population segments that other providers would either ignore or under-serve due to lack of profitability.

My answer would likely be different in 10 years when the vast majority of the older generation either signs up for their benefits to be direct deposited or...die.

And...my own personal Grudge...I will destroy you Uline...if its the last thing I do. I took on Sports Illustrated and won...I will end Uline catalogues...I swear it!

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

You do if you do not live in an urban center. Amazon, UPS and other private enterprises will not take a loss delivering to places that are not easily assessable. For me, it's about sovereignty, but I also think that it's a poorly run company, and the union leadership is pretty much useless.

Fair comment, perhaps i should have asked if we need a national postal service as it is currently structured.



...but after UCP rule, I'm ok with sticking it to some rural people.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

the union would hate me as I don't think people need door to door mail any longer.
That should probably be eliminated. Don't fire anyone but let the losses happen through attrition, and take the rest and put them on the parcel side where the company might still make money. and tell all the workers that some of them might be required to work weekends. Give them their 20% raise over 4 years though, and maintain benefits.

I think Harper tried it about 10 years ago. Perhaps now it the time for it to happen.

There is no "parcel side".

Mail carriers do all of it on their routes. Letter mail/flyers/parcels etc.

And they can't just "tell" workers to do weekends. They would have to bargain for it or hire others to do so.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

You do if you do not live in an urban center. Amazon, UPS and other private enterprises will not take a loss delivering to places that are not easily assessable. For me, it's about sovereignty, but I also think that it's a poorly run company, and the union leadership is pretty much useless.

Originally Posted by Cappy

I think it has affected quite a bit.

Work wise, we have had to pivot for paying clients and serving documents. Purolator has essentially told us they expect 2 week delays on these processes now. Having CP back will be very helpful.

Personally, being in Calgary, i havent noticed the effects; however, its pretty clear from my friends in more rural areas that its much harder to serve those areas through private companies

I identified this in my last post, I do understand rural areas rely on things like this.

But you know what? I'm getting tired of this being a logistical issue that the rest of us have to care about. Sorry not sorry.

If you want to live on a ranch in the sticks then I'm sorry buttercup, you're going to have to suck up the downside at some point.

Ride your horse into the nearest town once a week and pick up your own mail.

Living in rural areas is often a choice. Choices come with consequences. Figure. It. Out.

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by Locke

I identified this in my last post, I do understand rural areas rely on things like this.

But you know what? I'm getting tired of this being a logistical issue that the rest of us have to care about. Sorry not sorry.

If you want to live on a ranch in the sticks then I'm sorry buttercup, you're going to have to suck up the downside at some point.

Ride your horse into the nearest town once a week and pick up your own mail.

Living in rural areas is often a choice. Choices come with consequences. Figure. It. Out.

It's easy to think that you're sticking it to the insufferable homesteaders and hobby ranchers, and I'm all for that because they have money and will be fine. But the reality as always is that the people who will suffer most are First Nations, whose communities tend to be remote and impoverished (and have a think about why that is). Eliminating Canada Post would only exacerbate poverty in a population that is already worse off than the majority of Canadians, but Locke be like: Living on a reservation is a choice. Choices come with consequences. Figure. It. Out.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

You tell me.

You have the same access to google that I do.

Haven’t seen anything yet. Hence why I’m wondering what his thoughts on it are.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Haven’t seen anything yet. Hence why I’m wondering what his thoughts on it are.

We’ll keep wondering then. Let me know what wondering gets you.

Reminds me of a story. The other day there was a recall on my GMC. My first thought was, I wonder what Ford thinks about this. They must have something to say.

/g

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Dion

I wonder if the union told their employees that wages lost during a strike are never recovered.

Even if the raise they get awarded through arbitration is enough of an increase from the company’s last offer that it outweighs the loss?