12-12-2024, 11:17 AM
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#4061
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Wastedyouth
Mactavish is a BAD 21 year old center who struggles at the position while being fed a lot of PP time and cushy zone starts.
I wouldn't say no to him on the team, but at the expense of Coronato and a 1st, that would be a downgrade.
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relying on fancy stats for a 21yo C on a #### team is... just not smart
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12-12-2024, 11:17 AM
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#4062
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wastedyouth
For reference,
Coronato has the 2nd worst zone starts 5v5 on the team.
Tied for first in Corsi%
3rd in expected goal%
2nd in expected goals/60
2nd in on ice attempts for/60
4th in high danger attempts for/60
5th in expected goals against/60
2nd in on ice attempts against/60
etc etc etc.
On a bad team.
He faces the heavies against most shifts.
He has a very bright future as at 22 he requires no sheltering and generates a tonne.
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I like Coronato as much as the next guy, but those numbers are heavily influenced by playing with Mikael Backlund.
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12-12-2024, 11:18 AM
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#4063
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Wondering when # became hashtag and not a number sign.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wastedyouth
For reference,
Coronato has the 2nd worst zone starts 5v5 on the team.
Tied for first in Corsi%
3rd in expected goal%
2nd in expected goals/60
2nd in on ice attempts for/60
4th in high danger attempts for/60
5th in expected goals against/60
2nd in on ice attempts against/60
etc etc etc.
On a bad team.
He faces the heavies against most shifts.
He has a very bright future as at 22 he requires no sheltering and generates a tonne.
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He is also a winger and has yet to prove he can stick in the NHL. He has shown well of late and thats great.
You move him in a heartbeat if thats what it takes to get MM.
Besides, McTavish is a legacy and that has to count for something!
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12-12-2024, 11:21 AM
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#4064
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Franchise Player
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Possible grounds for a 3-way trade here with ANA, BUF and CGY...
BUF: Andersson
ANA: Cozens, 2nd
CGY: McTavish
The 2nd coming from BUF
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12-12-2024, 11:21 AM
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#4065
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Truculent!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
relying on fancy stats for a 21yo C on a #### team is... just not smart
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We have 3 years of data on Mactavish. He just isn't that good yet.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Poe969
It's the Law of E=NG. If there was an Edmonton on Mars, it would stink like Uranus.
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12-12-2024, 11:22 AM
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#4066
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Franchise Player
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McTavish has the potential to be a great player - I would give up Andersson straight across for him
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12-12-2024, 11:22 AM
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#4067
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wastedyouth
For reference,
Coronato has the 2nd worst zone starts 5v5 on the team.
Tied for first in Corsi%
3rd in expected goal%
2nd in expected goals/60
2nd in on ice attempts for/60
4th in high danger attempts for/60
5th in expected goals against/60
2nd in on ice attempts against/60
etc etc etc.
On a bad team.
He faces the heavies against most shifts.
He has a very bright future as at 22 he requires no sheltering and generates a tonne.
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Excellent post, but could those numbers be somewhat due to the “Backlund Effect”? I think if you take in McT and put him with Backs and Coleman, he would have sparkling underlying metrics as well.Just a theory…
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12-12-2024, 11:23 AM
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#4068
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Truculent!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by transplant99
He is also a winger and has yet to prove he can stick in the NHL. He has shown well of late and thats great.
You move him in a heartbeat if thats what it takes to get MM.
Besides, McTavish is a legacy and that has to count for something!
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Coronato is the sixth highest scorer on the team with 5 less games played than anyone above or below him. If you think he's not sticking with the team all year, I disagree.
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Originally Posted by Poe969
It's the Law of E=NG. If there was an Edmonton on Mars, it would stink like Uranus.
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12-12-2024, 11:24 AM
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#4069
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wastedyouth
We have 3 years of data on Mactavish. He just isn't that good yet.
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YET.
That's the problem with stats, they're historical only. And his history is as an 19-21yo C on the 2nd worst team in hockey.
We wouldn't be acquiring that guy, we'd be acquiring the 22-30yo McTavish. And his ceiling is 1st line C.
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12-12-2024, 11:26 AM
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#4070
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman
Excellent post, but could those numbers be somewhat due to the “Backlund Effect”? I think if you take in McT and put him with Backs and Coleman, he would have sparkling underlying metrics as well.Just a theory…
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Coronato looked pretty great on the 4L with Lomberg & Kirkland too.
I think he's just a great player coming along at a normal pace.
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12-12-2024, 11:26 AM
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#4071
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#1 Goaltender
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Andersson for Cozens and a 2nd seems like a mediocre return
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12-12-2024, 11:27 AM
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#4072
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Truculent!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman
Excellent post, but could those numbers be somewhat due to the “Backlund Effect”? I think if you take in McT and put him with Backs and Coleman, he would have sparkling underlying metrics as well.Just a theory…
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Backlund and Colemans possession numbers get quite a bit worse when they are away from Coronato.
He is helping drive that line, he isn't a passenger so far this year.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Poe969
It's the Law of E=NG. If there was an Edmonton on Mars, it would stink like Uranus.
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12-12-2024, 11:28 AM
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#4073
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbull8
Andersson for Cozens and a 2nd seems like a mediocre return
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For the Sabres. Not going to get that return for one year of Andersson.
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12-12-2024, 11:28 AM
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#4074
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Mactavish is a Flame legacy player so there's that.
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12-12-2024, 11:29 AM
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#4075
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wastedyouth
For reference,
Coronato has the 2nd worst zone starts 5v5 on the team.
Tied for first in Corsi%
3rd in expected goal%
2nd in expected goals/60
2nd in on ice attempts for/60
4th in high danger attempts for/60
5th in expected goals against/60
2nd in on ice attempts against/60
etc etc etc.
On a bad team.
He faces the heavies against most shifts.
He has a very bright future as at 22 he requires no sheltering and generates a tonne.
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Ya I personally would not trade Coronato. I think he is our best forward under the age of 25 in the system. Strikes me as a potential consistent 30 goal guy who is good defensively.
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12-12-2024, 11:30 AM
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#4076
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbull8
Andersson for Cozens and a 2nd seems like a mediocre return
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For CGY, it's Andersson for McTavish
I would do that.
I brought BUF in as the 3rd team because I would expect that ANA wants a young player back, not Andersson
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12-12-2024, 11:32 AM
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#4077
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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I would do Andersson for McTavish in a heartbeat.
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12-12-2024, 11:34 AM
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#4078
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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Ducks with Andersson, Gudas & Trouba on their blueline? They would be a handful. Physically & verbally lol
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12-12-2024, 11:35 AM
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#4079
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Franchise Player
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I'd do Coronato for McTavish and take the gamble on the the bigger centre over an smaller winger
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12-12-2024, 11:35 AM
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#4080
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wastedyouth
Backlund and Colemans possession numbers get quite a bit worse when they are away from Coronato.
He is helping drive that line, he isn't a passenger so far this year.
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Idk, I respect your argument but I just envision a future captain and playoff warrior who can drag the troops into battle. Plus, he’s a young C that we’re coveting these days, and he’s 6’1” and 215 lbs.
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