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Old 12-12-2024, 10:58 AM   #4041
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Verbeek didn't draft McTavish and doesn't seem to love the work of his predecessor.

- Zegras is constantly in rumours
- Drysdale, and Perreault are 1sts they already moved
- Now McTavish seems to be in rumours

If he's on the block that's a guy the Flames need to be all over.
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Old 12-12-2024, 10:59 AM   #4042
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Coronato + NJ first?
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Old 12-12-2024, 11:00 AM   #4043
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Verbeek loves snarl and grit.

I'd bet he'd want Pospisil
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I don't get what the motivation would be from Anaheim. What's going on there that high potential, high picked players falter and fall out of favor so quickly?

Coronato+ seems like the only legit suggestions tbh. We can spare a winger for a center. But can't help but think it's a strange situation in Anaheim.
It may be Mactavish is unhappy that Carlsson is playing above him. Plus he's coming up to RFA. With Carlsson, Zegras, Mactavish all young and at C and a few prospects (plus the Ducks getting yet another high draft in 2025 which is fairly deep in Cs), Mactavish may be feeling crowded.
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You guys are on drugs. Coronato is already better than Mactavish and trending to be an impact winger.

Kid is 22 and plays a puck dominant game at 5v5 with a NHL++ caliber shot.

Mactavish gets his head beat in at 5v5 on the regular. He's only achieved as many points as he has by being spoon fed PP time and decent zone starts.

Mactavish's floor might be higher but Coronato's ceiling is much higher than his.
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Old 12-12-2024, 11:02 AM   #4046
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Anaheim also has Sennecke coming in at centre.
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Old 12-12-2024, 11:02 AM   #4047
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The only pieces I wouldn't make available in a McTavish deal are Wolf, Parekh, and the 26/27 1sts. Would hate to give up Zary or Coronato but man, I dunno ... that's one hell of a target.
The problem is, if he's available the team that offers the best assets is the team likely to get him.

You've excluded Calgary's top 4 assets (not that I blame you).

I assume someone would offer a better asset than Coronato/Zary.
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But that's not Conroy's doing and therefore doesn't represent a decision he made. They weren't concerned about their future when they made that deal. They were trying to win now.

It is what it is.
If they lose a 13th overall pick it's not great, but it's not the massive disaster some think it is.

And keep in mind they aren't losing the pick outright. They will get the Florida later pick.
We need an "Explain like I'm 5" writeup for that trade and the draft pick conditions. I keep forgetting how the complexities of the conditions work and I have long assumed we just lose a 1st round pick if we're not bottom 10.
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You guys are on drugs. Coronato is already better than Mactavish and trending to be an impact winger.

Kid is 22 and plays a puck dominant game at 5v5 with a NHL++ caliber shot.

Mactavish gets his head beat in at 5v5 on the regular. He's only achieved as many points as he has by being spoon fed PP time and decent zone starts.

Mactavish's floor might be higher but Coronato's ceiling is much higher than his.
Mctavish is a 21 year old center man with 99 points in 174 games…
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Anaheim also has Sennecke coming in at centre.
Sennecke is likely a winger at the NHL level imo
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Old 12-12-2024, 11:05 AM   #4051
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If they are truly shopping McT, it’s a crazy knee-jerk reaction.
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Mctavish is a 21 year old center man with 99 points in 174 games…
Mactavish is a BAD 21 year old center who struggles at the position while being fed a lot of PP time and cushy zone starts.

I wouldn't say no to him on the team, but at the expense of Coronato and a 1st, that would be a downgrade.
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Sennecke is likely a winger at the NHL level imo
He's not even a centre at the junior level.

Sennecke is a winger through and through.
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If true, the fact McTavish is on the block raises major red flags. ANA must see something that raises doubts about his ceiling. I know footspeed was a weakness when he was drafted. Maybe they don’t think he has the pace to be an effective top-six C going forward.
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Old 12-12-2024, 11:09 AM   #4055
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Forgot about Sennecke. IMO that makes the case for Coronato weaker.

I disagree that McTavish isn't a good centre, but agree with Wasted's take that Coronato has shown enough to somewhat level the playing field in a trade. I wouldn't want to add a first to Coronato for McTavish.
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If true, the fact he’s on the block raises major red flags. ANA must see something that raises doubts about his ceiling. I know footspeed was a weakness when he was drafted. Maybe they don’t think he has the pace to be an effective top-six C going forward.
If footspeed is a concern, get him in here with Danielle. It is wild to see the difference she's made for Zary since he joined the organization. Coronato also looks so much more explosive than last season
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Mactavish is a BAD 21 year old center who struggles at the position while being fed a lot of PP time and cushy zone starts.

I wouldn't say no to him on the team, but at the expense of Coronato and a 1st, that would be a downgrade.
With all due respect, I have to disagree. He’s still developing, and doing so on a mess of a team, but if we were to aquire him now we would be getting our future Captain. There’s a reason why he was drafted so early…
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Tough trade to make with a divisional rival and likely would want to send him to the East. Flames have some nice futures pieces and it would be nice if they could make it work but I feel like the ducks would prefer to send him East.
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Old 12-12-2024, 11:14 AM   #4059
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Mctavish Zary down the center would be a great core to build around
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Old 12-12-2024, 11:15 AM   #4060
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For reference,

Coronato has the 2nd worst zone starts 5v5 on the team.
Tied for first in Corsi%
3rd in expected goal%
2nd in expected goals/60
2nd in on ice attempts for/60
4th in high danger attempts for/60
5th in expected goals against/60
2nd in on ice attempts against/60

etc etc etc.

On a bad team.

He faces the heavies against most shifts.

He has a very bright future as at 22 he requires no sheltering and generates a tonne.
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