2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

And it was time to see what they had in Wolf (plus they had Vladar). Yes, they were trading their #1, but it wasn't like they had nothing in bullpen.

They still got rid of their #1 goalie. If they wanted to compete they platoon Markstrom and Wolf and go use some of their 20 million in cap

[memphusk]

And spend money just to spend money? Treliving did that like crazy and now the team seems better off without it.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by memphusk

And spend money just to spend money? Treliving did that like crazy and now the team seems better off without it.

See Predators, Nashville.

Spent on seemingly proven veteran talent and it's not working out do far. Last year as a team well under the cap and a lot of lesser known younger guys they were a playoff team.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by blankall

The Flames are second last in cap spending. The only thing separating them from being in the bottom of the league is Wolf. Wolf was totally untested at the NHL level. He just happens to be, so far, awesome. Without Wolf, the Flames probably lose 4 more games easy, which puts them bottom 5.

My main point was that Conroy was downplaying the extent of his rebuild, and that's largely to appease the owners, who don't want a total tear down. In reality, he's sold off the team for futures.

I find myself constantly amazed how many posters here on CP seems be be able to know the inner workings of the Flames.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by BigThief

So offensively he's a second line player, out side of that he brings nothing else to the table. When this guy isn't scoring, he's utterly useless.

This article on Kuzmenko was written exactly one year ago. Does any of it still sound familiar?

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...nd-weaknesses/


Might as well copy and paste that for 2024 with Flames instead of Canucks.

The guy is regressing. If he can't score, he's useless.

Are you trying to convince me that Kuzmenko is a well rounded player? If so you got me!

But seriously all I said is that his underlying numbers say he is do for an "offensive" pop.

That's it. That's all.

You said he's bad offensively, and I pointed out he's been good in both timelines (overall and the one you suggested).

But I was never on the sign the guy train. I never suggested he was anything more than a streaky offensive player, but suggested his numbers should be better than they are.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by memphusk

And spend money just to spend money? Treliving did that like crazy and now the team seems better off without it.

I am not saying it is a good strategy but if the argument is they wanted to compete then there would have been some dumb UFA signings. Pretty much everything Conroy has done so far are rebuilding moves but the team happens to be playing way above expectations. I hope he remains patient and on the same path.

[Bingo]

Yeah you don't go from a perennial cap team to almost $20M in cap space without purpose.

This team was never trying to actually compete.

Call it what you want ... tear down, rebuild, retool, it doesn't matter. This team is all about the future.

[Sandman]

Hope you’re right Bingo!

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Hope you’re right Bingo!

Why do you think it is not? My Flames competitive PTSD died this offseason with the Markstrom trade and lack of signings. On paper the roster should be a bottom 5-10 roster. Conroy did what he could.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Yeah you don't go from a perennial cap team to almost $20M in cap space without purpose.

This team was never trying to actually compete.

Call it what you want ... tear down, rebuild, retool, it doesn't matter. This team is all about the future.

100% this.

People get sidetracked by "labels/titles" instead of just looking at what has happened.

This is a complete revamping of team philosophy. Ownership has already signed off on it, management has already implemented it, and players know they are in the midst of it.

Only a faction of fans aren't believing it though.

Patience is not something that we do well as a society, but it is mandatory in this case, because it is going to take some time.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Why do you think it is not? My Flames competitive PTSD died this offseason with the Markstrom trade and lack of signings. On paper the roster should be a bottom 5-10 roster. Conroy did what he could.

Well my concern is that there is still a very real, maybe even probable, chance that the Flames lose their own 1st round pick this year.

Teams concerned about the future shouldn't be losing 11th overall picks. As of now, the pick would be #19. The Flames are tending downward, but I'm not sure if they will trend so far down that they get to a top 10 pick.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Why do you think it is not? My Flames competitive PTSD died this offseason with the Markstrom trade and lack of signings. On paper the roster should be a bottom 5-10 roster. Conroy did what he could.

I have an irrational distrust of Murray Edwards.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Well my concern is that there is still a very real, maybe even probable, chance that the Flames lose their own 1st round pick this year.

Teams concerned about the future shouldn't be losing 11th overall picks. As of now, the pick would be #19. The Flames are tending downward, but I'm not sure if they will trend so far down that they get to a top 10 pick.

But that's not Conroy's doing and therefore doesn't represent a decision he made. They weren't concerned about their future when they made that deal. They were trying to win now.

It is what it is.
If they lose a 13th overall pick it's not great, but it's not the massive disaster some think it is.

And keep in mind they aren't losing the pick outright. They will get the Florida later pick.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Well my concern is that there is still a very real, maybe even probable, chance that the Flames lose their own 1st round pick this year.

Teams concerned about the future shouldn't be losing 11th overall picks. As of now, the pick would be #19. The Flames are tending downward, but I'm not sure if they will trend so far down that they get to a top 10 pick.

I mean that is what it is at this point. It isn't because Conroy signed some middling UFAs to try and make the playoffs. It will suck if that happens but the roster is bad and I still think the team will crash this year or next.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Well my concern is that there is still a very real, maybe even probable, chance that the Flames lose their own 1st round pick this year.

Teams concerned about the future shouldn't be losing 11th overall picks. As of now, the pick would be #19. The Flames are tending downward, but I'm not sure if they will trend so far down that they get to a top 10 pick.

It's interesting math this year for sure.

If they finish bottom 10 then no issues and you know what's going on.

The other number to keep an eye on though is the Flames position vs the Florida position if they are not bottom ten.

Florida and Calgary are only 7 spots apart right now.

That's not the end of the world really.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Well my concern is that there is still a very real, maybe even probable, chance that the Flames lose their own 1st round pick this year.

Teams concerned about the future shouldn't be losing 11th overall picks. As of now, the pick would be #19. The Flames are tending downward, but I'm not sure if they will trend so far down that they get to a top 10 pick.

They are 5 point above 10th place. There is lot of time to trend that far down, since it appears they are indeed trending down.

Wolf remains the key. Both good and bad.

The good part is if plays really well, long term that is great news for Calgary. Likely more important than the 10th pick.

But that illusive elite talent at centre remains illusive.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Bingo

It's interesting math this year for sure.

If they finish bottom 10 then no issues and you know what's going on.

The other number to keep an eye on though is the Flames position vs the Florida position if they are not bottom ten.

Florida and Calgary are only 7 spots apart right now.

That's not the end of the world really.

That's a good point. 7 may be big if its 1 or 8, but its not if its 15 or 22.

A lot may depend on if Andersson gets traded. And they may well depend on whether Calgary starts to fade in the playoff race. Plus how Andersson is actually playing. Although his hot start pumps up his numbers overall and gives a better impression than his last 15 or so games.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

But that's not Conroy's doing and therefore doesn't represent a decision he made. They weren't concerned about their future when they made that deal. They were trying to win now.

It is what it is.
If they lose a 13th overall pick it's not great, but it's not the massive disaster some think it is.

And keep in mind they aren't losing the pick outright. They will get the Florida later pick.

The only thing I get out of this is ‘massive disaster’!!!

[Monahammer]

If we didn't make that trade we'd have two 1sts this year, not sure why we are spinning this so hard. It is probably one of the worst trades in the history of the franchise. It was made in desperation by an egocentric moron. The player acquired is fine but was basically guaranteed from day 1 to decline massively after signing.

Losing 7 spots, even 15-22 is definitely bad for a rebuilding team, even if you want to ignore the fact that we would indeed have 2 1st round picks, for some reason.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

If we didn't make that trade we'd have two 1sts this year, not sure why we are spinning this so hard. It is probably one of the worst trades in the history of the franchise. It was made in desperation by an egocentric moron. The player acquired is fine but was basically guaranteed from day 1 to decline massively after signing.

Losing 7 spots, even 15-22 is definitely bad for a rebuilding team, even if you want to ignore the fact that we would indeed have 2 1st round picks, for some reason.

How can you be so sure we would still have those picks? I guess your assuming the ‘egocentric moron’ who I bet you’ve never had a conversation with, let alone met, would still have our own 1st? He acted unilaterally and Conroy or any of the other remaining Flames hockey ops had zero input? Would the Flames have acquired a second 1st as well in this make believe alternate you’ve wound yourself up over?