2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[simonsays]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Stamkos 5 on 5 play was going downhill fast. I think 50% of his points came on the PP.

Tampa still had decent players that can win. They made the right call.

Nashville didn’t seem to do any research they saw big names and threw money at them. I said during the offseason when they got called a cup contender they are about to find out winning free agency usually isn’t a good thing.

Yep, Stamkos has not been able to keep his legs. He still has that elite shot, but without a team that can work that in he's likely toast. He was mostly a PP merchant last year with the guys who knew exactly how to feed him. So a new crew has/had little to no chance of getting it to him where he needs it. That said MTL has been feeding Laine busters since he got back.



I mean Marchessault is solid, but he's never been a pass first kinda guy with almost half of his career points coming from goals. Forsberg, their other star, is the same way. Last year he has 48 goals and 46 assists. They may need more goals, but they don't need more scorers.



Nashville is in a bit of a crisis right now and I'm not sure thatBarry Trotz knows what he's doing. If we can take advantage I think we should.



Also Jankowski is 30? Will this madness stop?

[Calgary4LIfe]

I am all for acquiring Cozens, as long as it isn't a crazy overpay - Flames aren't paying market value for a 21 year old 30G C drafted 7th overall. Maybe the price isn't down to an overpaid disappointment either, obviously. I find Cozens is a difficult player to gauge the value of, but is a strong bet to pop with a change of scenery.


Calgary will need a #1 C to play alongside McKenna down the road, so if they are not drafting one this year, Cozens might be a good trade target.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I am all for acquiring Cozens, as long as it isn't a crazy overpay - Flames aren't paying market value for a 21 year old 30G C drafted 7th overall. Maybe the price isn't down to an overpaid disappointment either, obviously. I find Cozens is a difficult player to gauge the value of, but is a strong bet to pop with a change of scenery.


Calgary will need a #1 C to play alongside McKenna down the road, so if they are not drafting one this year, Cozens might be a good trade target.

This kid thrives with pressure and there is none of it in that Buffalo locker room.

[simonsays]

Originally Posted by Sec214

This kid thrives with pressure and there is none of it in that Buffalo locker room.

re: Cozens
A true #1 is his own pressure cooker. The inability to advance up the lineup in Buffalo doesn't mean that he's ready to pop. Maybe things are so bad there that it just doesn't work. But if I'm looking for a guy at 7.1m I don't wan't him to feel like he needs help competing. That said if he was properly competing he wouldn't be available. Tough to think you can fix him, but if you can...

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I am all for acquiring Cozens, as long as it isn't a crazy overpay - Flames aren't paying market value for a 21 year old 30G C drafted 7th overall. Maybe the price isn't down to an overpaid disappointment either, obviously. I find Cozens is a difficult player to gauge the value of, but is a strong bet to pop with a change of scenery.


Calgary will need a #1 C to play alongside McKenna down the road, so if they are not drafting one this year, Cozens might be a good trade target.

So another winger carrying a C who can’t carry a line or play against other teams top Cs. We seen it with Lindholm.

It’s just not the way.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by simonsays

re: Cozens
A true #1 is his own pressure cooker. The inability to advance up the lineup in Buffalo doesn't mean that he's ready to pop. Maybe things are so bad there that it just doesn't work. But if I'm looking for a guy at 7.1m I don't wan't him to feel like he needs help competing. That said if he was properly competing he wouldn't be available. Tough to think you can fix him, but if you can...

Environment's matter for kids these days. That organization is run like a dump.

[Tkachukwagon]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1866582753220891036

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

So another winger carrying a C who can’t carry a line or play against other teams top Cs. We seen it with Lindholm.

It’s just not the way.

Lindholm was a very good player here for many years. We should be so lucky to acquire another guy like that. This trade isn't to get the #1 pivot...the Flames need several centres. If Cozens was a true #1....guess what...he wouldn't be available.

Also here is a short list of players who have gone on to find another level once they got out of Buffalo: Sam Reinhart, Brandon Montour, Jack Eichel, Ryan O'Reily.

So it is entirely possible that the same thing happens with Cozens.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Lindholm was a very good player here for many years. We should be so lucky to acquire another guy like that. This trade isn't to get the #1 pivot...the Flames need several centres. If Cozens was a true #1....guess what...he wouldn't be available.

Also here is a short list of players who have gone on to find another level once they got out of Buffalo: Sam Reinhart, Brandon Montour, Jack Eichel, Ryan O'Reily.

So it is entirely possible that the same thing happens with Cozens.

Lindholm was propped up by Johnny and Matthew and played on the top line. When they left he was a pumpkin and he’s showing he’s exactly that with Vancouver and Boston. He can’t carry a line.

The other players showed well in Buffalo, Reinhart broke out in Florida. They mostly had good underlying numbers.

It’s not like he’s surrounded by trash. Others players have seemed to turn it around.

If he didn’t have that large contract and a chance to be an overpaid 3rd liner he could be a buy low candidate.

At this point Buffalo would need to retain salary to make a deal. And they are not getting a Rasmus Andersson for him.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Can we not just say, as a blanket statement, that “Brad Treliving is “in” on everything”? Eyeroll. The guy is such a tire kicking lowballer. Like ya I’m sure he knows everyone who’s available but he’s probably offering Buffalo something like a 7th round pick. So lame. He’s like that guy on Kijiji we all know “I’ll give ya $5 for that $100 item”.

As for Calgary, I’d recommend staying away. We’re like 3 months into this rebuild and our fans need to get their head around being way way way way more patient. Not every available player makes sense particularly with cap hits that have poor value.

Honest question, how would you know this?

Seems lame to make things up and make silly analogies.

[flamesgod]

As long as he’d become a good #2 C, it’d be just fine. That cap hit isn’t a problem going forward if he becomes that.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

https://twitter.com/user/status/1866582753220891036

This seems like a silly stat. Not too many trades are made between the draft and leading up to the TDL for anyone.

There were zero trades by any team between August and October. Just 3 in October, 7 in November and 3 in December so far.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Honest question, how would you know this?

Seems lame to make things up and make silly analogies.

Because during his tenure as Flames GM there was constant leaks of him being "in" on trades when any major name came up in a trade, and then when he always missed out on the trade and it was leaked what was on the table, he always had lower offers compared to what got the trades done. I'm sure that's what the poster is basing that off of.

Seems lame to ask an "honest" question and then insult the guy in the same breath.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Lindholm was propped up by Johnny and Matthew and played on the top line. When they left he was a pumpkin and he’s showing he’s exactly that with Vancouver and Boston. He can’t carry a line.

The other players showed well in Buffalo, Reinhart broke out in Florida. They mostly had good underlying numbers.

It’s not like he’s surrounded by trash. Others players have seemed to turn it around.

If he didn’t have that large contract and a chance to be an overpaid 3rd liner he could be a buy low candidate.

At this point Buffalo would need to retain salary to make a deal. And they are not getting a Rasmus Andersson for him.

Montour took a significant step when he left Buffalo. Just look at his stats
Eichel became a number one centre on a cup winning team
There is a pattern of players doing better when they get out of there

As for Lindholm he was very good and very productive. Could he carry a line? No but you also need good players to play with your top players

[Funkhouser]

Sabres fans speculating that Cozens hasn’t been the same player since he got beat down in a fight with Hathaway last year, it is a confidence issue and keeping him from playing aggressively.

If true, this is fixable. Just make him room with Lomberg and staple Pospisil to his line to drag him into the fight. Problem solved

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Groot

Because during his tenure as Flames GM there was constant leaks of him being "in" on trades when any major name came up in a trade, and then when he always missed out on the trade and it was leaked what was on the table, he always had lower offers compared to what got the trades done. I'm sure that's what the poster is basing that off of.

Seems lame to ask an "honest" question and then insult the guy in the same breath.

He always had lower offers than what got the trade done, shocking.

I suppose that’s true except for the times it wasn’t.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Montour took a significant step when he left Buffalo. Just look at his stats
Eichel became a number one centre on a cup winning team
There is a pattern of players doing better when they get out of there

As for Lindholm he was very good and very productive. Could he carry a line? No but you also need good players to play with your top players

Eichel was always a #1C. His issue was injury related or he likely is still in Buffalo.

That’s a player you go after when they become available.

Having good players to play with top players is correct but you don’t want wingers propping up poor players on a top line. Lindholm feasted off those players and turned into the player he is a good complimentary 2nd liner.

You need elite #1C who can carry his line. I understand you said he’s not the guy for that role but he it’s seems like he has attributes for a weak 2nd liner at best. If he didn’t have that albatross contract it would be worth a shot. Just because we have cap space doesn’t mean we can waste it and add another big money long term deal

[dino7c]

Eichel is a far better player now than he ever was in Buffalo

If you can get Cozens you do it

[simonsays]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Montour took a significant step when he left Buffalo. Just look at his stats
Eichel became a number one centre on a cup winning team
There is a pattern of players doing better when they get out of there

As for Lindholm he was very good and very productive. Could he carry a line? No but you also need good players to play with your top players

And who are the elite wingers for Cozens to step into a line with? We have some strong 2 way guys, but there isn't anyone with a whole lot of pop in their passing.


That said, the leadership group here is fantastic. Kardi, Backlund, Andersson, Weegar, Coleman, all go hard every game. It's hard to be a young buck and not match their energy levels.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Eichel was always a #1C. His issue was injury related or he likely is still in Buffalo.

That’s a player you go after when they become available.

Having good players to play with top players is correct but you don’t want wingers propping up poor players on a top line. Lindholm feasted off those players and turned into the player he is a good complimentary 2nd liner.

You need elite #1C who can carry his line. I understand you said he’s not the guy for that role but he it’s seems like he has attributes for a weak 2nd liner at best. If he didn’t have that albatross contract it would be worth a shot. Just because we have cap space doesn’t mean we can waste it and add another big money long term deal

Big, good skater, skilled and a strong worth ethic
Sounds like good attributes for a second line centre to me