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Old 12-10-2024, 06:25 AM   #2741
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I am not getting the logic of what positive change people are hoping comes out of this?

If there is a wide spread reduction of claim denials and reversal of other cost cutting measures, that just means higher premiums, which is as big or bigger of a problem to most families.

This is what you get with for profit health care and the country just voted in a president promising to make things worse.
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I am not getting the logic of what positive change people are hoping comes out of this?

If there is a wide spread reduction of claim denials and reversal of other cost cutting measures, that just means higher premiums, which is as big or bigger of a problem to most families.

This is what you get with for profit health care and the country just voted in a president promising to make things worse.
Are people expecting positive change? This just feels like a touch of catharsis is a world gone mad.


But if I were an optimist(not at all), I might point out higher premiums make universal healthcare look more and more attractive, and if the next four years are savage enough(sadly, they will have to be very savage, indeed), it could end up as part of the next Democratic platform.
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Are people expecting positive change? This just feels like a touch of catharsis is a world gone mad.


But if I were an optimist(not at all), I might point out higher premiums make universal healthcare look more and more attractive, and if the next four years are savage enough(sadly, they will have to be very savage, indeed), it could end up as part of the next Democratic platform.
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One of the reasons I'm not an optimist.
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Old 12-10-2024, 07:43 AM   #2745
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Are people expecting positive change? This just feels like a touch of catharsis is a world gone mad.


But if I were an optimist(not at all), I might point out higher premiums make universal healthcare look more and more attractive, and if the next four years are savage enough(sadly, they will have to be very savage, indeed), it could end up as part of the next Democratic platform.
Except the Democrats are just the other corporate party, but nicer.
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Man....I gotta get on ye ol' Manifesto.

It'll have Blackjack and hookers!! Or perhaps not.
It will certainly be disturbing.
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The story of this Luigi guy getting caught is so odd. The news stories say a McDonald's employee called the police on him saying he was sitting there eating. But to my knowledge was his name out there on the news prior to his arrest? We also had a limited image and not the guys full face. How would random McDonald's employee know this is the guy? I'm just confused.

It's almost always more along the lines of "Hi, I saw that picture of that guy on the news that you are looking for, and there's someone here who looks like that. Come check it him out."


Police do then go and check it out.

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Are people expecting positive change? This just feels like a touch of catharsis is a world gone mad.

Just a day or two ago in this very thread I was being told the positive change was already happening!
Outdated notions from do-nothings like MLK and Gandhi
are useless today. Murder gets results dammit!
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Just a day or two ago in this very thread I was being told the positive change was already happening!
Outdated notions from do-nothings like MLK and Gandhi
are useless today. Murder gets results dammit!
Yeah it’s wild when different people have different opinions. A real “whodunnit” of the mind, you could say.
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Just a day or two ago in this very thread I was being told the positive change was already happening!
Outdated notions from do-nothings like MLK and Gandhi
are useless today. Murder gets results dammit!
Hilariously(if you haven't read it) that's...well...exactly what he says in his manifesto.


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Nelson Mandela says no form of viooence can be excused. Camus says it’s all the same, whether you live or die or have a cup of coffee. MLK says violence never brings permanent peace. Gandhi says that non-violence is the mightiest power available to mankind.
That’s who they tell you are heroes. That’s who our revolutionaries are.
Yet is that not capitalistic? Non-violence keeps the system working at full speed ahead.
What did it get us. Look in the mirror.
They want us to be non-violent, so that they can grow fat off the blood they take from us.
The only way out is through. Not all of us will make it. Each of us is our own chief executive. You have to decide what you will tolerate.
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It will certainly be disturbing.
The best Manifestos always are.

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Its amazing what can be accomplished when you just dont GAF about a specific group of people.
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OJ Simpson comes to mind. A jury that wants to say "#### you" to the sytem can plausibly claim "the bar of guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" was not cleared, and then acquit him.
A different set of facts.

Also, to quote George "We are living in a society".

Being able to walk up to someone in the day and shoot them and get off is the slipperiest of slopes.
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A different set of facts.

Also, to quote George "We are living in a society".

Being able to walk up to someone in the day and shoot them and get off is the slipperiest of slopes.
Maybe he did a Purge movie marathon and got lost in all the hype?
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A different set of facts.

Also, to quote George "We are living in a society".

Being able to walk up to someone in the day and shoot them and get off is the slipperiest of slopes.
Better to run a multi-billion dollar corporation where you can do it on a mass scale by taking people's money and denying them life-saving services you agreed to pay for, so you can buy yourself a new yacht. Is that a slippery slope, too?
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Maybe he did a Purge movie marathon and got lost in all the hype?
Possibly GullFloss seems that daft
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Better to run a multi-billion dollar corporation where you can do it on a mass scale by taking people's money and denying them life-saving services you agreed to pay for. Is that a slippery slope, too?
Have you seen me defend this or any corporation?

We enjoy the lives we have because of the rule of law. We start allowing vigilante justice it will become hard to draw the line. You can not convince me that it is ok to walk up to people and shoot them on the sidewalk because you dislike their business practices.

The issue with the corporation is endemic of America in general.

A bastion of Freedom and free enterprise until it isn't the free enterprise "you" want. Just a ####ed up system and country all around.
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Have you seen me defend this or any corporation?

We enjoy the lives we have because of the rule of law. We start allowing vigilante justice it will become hard to draw the line. You can not convince me that it is ok to walk up to people and shoot them on the sidewalk.

The issue with the corporation is endemic of America in general.

A bastion of Freedom and free enterprise until it isn't the free enterprise "you" want. Just a ####ed up system and country all around.


Well....
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Except the Democrats are just the other corporate party, but nicer.

Nicer? Interesting way to say "not actively harming and killing women and minorities."
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Have you seen me defend this or any corporation?

We enjoy the lives we have because of the rule of law. We start allowing vigilante justice it will become hard to draw the line. You can not convince me that it is ok to walk up to people and shoot them on the sidewalk because you dislike their business practices.

The issue with the corporation is endemic of America in general.

A bastion of Freedom and free enterprise until it isn't the free enterprise "you" want. Just a ####ed up system and country all around.
Ya, I get it. I don't think it's OK, where we have ended up. But I also have a lot of trouble saying it's any worse than what these companies do to people. It's tough to actually understand until you are going through it. To see a loved one suffering, to see the $1000 a month disappear from your bank account, and to spend months on the phone trying to get approval for a medication your doctor has said will help and prescribed, and then to be ####ed repeatedly while hearing someone scream in pain while you wait for the rejection letter to show up in the mail, because that's how they contact you, because it adds delays and makes them more profit? This is the system that they setup. This is the ultimate result of treating people like this.


I guess what I'm saying is, I'm not at all surprised, and don't feel a tinge of sympathy for his killing, because he's responsible for far worse. We go to war to stop murderous leaders from foisting suffering on others, and we accept the deaths of those in that case, often celebrating an end to their evil reigns of terror. Yet it's "just part of the system" here. So why is it acceptable in one case, but not the other?
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