2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Paulie Walnuts]

The worry isn't Conroy, and he has already shown in his short tenure that he is doing things differently.

It's getting the call from above that it's time to start adding because of the team playing over its head, and our goalie being one of the best.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

We're too far into the season for us to finish bottom 5. I think bottom 10 is about 50/50

Unfortunately, I can see us finishing bottom 12-17 and then our pick goes to the Habs. we'll be stuck with the two picks in the late 20's

Calgary is currently 17 in win %, so you think they have actually hit rock bottom of their floor.

They are 3 points out of bottom 10.

The season is still in its early stages.

Calgary's record is quite a bit above its goal differential.

They have one road win in regulation this season.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The worry isn't Conroy, and he has already shown in his short tenure that he is doing things differently.

It's getting the call from above that it's time to start adding because of the team playing over its head, and our goalie being one of the best.

I think that's just Flames Fan Anxiety Disorder.

The Flames aren't even in a playoff position, and everyone is sitting around celebrating like the team is going to add...based on what? Even during Treliving's build, he sold during the outright unexpected season sending Curtis Glencross out of town.

Conroy has given us zero reason to think he's going to do something short sighted. I'd definitely feel better if those rumours around being willing to trade a 1st round pick for a 23-25 year old centre weren't out there, but I don't think that will happen because those trades just don't happen very often.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The worry isn't Conroy, and he has already shown in his short tenure that he is doing things differently.

It's getting the call from above that it's time to start adding because of the team playing over its head, and our goalie being one of the best.

Ok but until that happens why worry about it?
Judge the team by what is happening, not what MAY happen.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I think that's just Flames Fan Anxiety Disorder.

The Flames aren't even in a playoff position, and everyone is sitting around celebrating like the team is going to add...based on what? Even during Treliving's build, he sold during the outright unexpected season sending Curtis Glencross out of town.

Conroy has given us zero reason to think he's going to do something short sighted. I'd definitely feel better if those rumours around being willing to trade a 1st round pick for a 23-25 year old centre weren't out there, but I don't think that will happen because those trades just don't happen very often.

Who is doing this?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Who is doing this?

Well, prior to the most recent skid the media was chattering about it ('if they are in a playoff spot') - but in this situation, I'm speaking more specifically to Paulie's concern that the owners are going to force Conroy to build for the 'now'

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Ok but until that happens why worry about it?
Judge the team by what is happening, not what MAY happen.

He openly talked about adding during the deadline if the team was in the mix. WE lost 4 in a row right after lol.

[SuperMatt18]

That narrative hasn't changed if you really listen too what Conroy is saying though.

Back to the offseason Conroy said he'd be open to add if they thought the piece was in the age range that helped the team now and in the future (18-25), and even in that interview he still said they wouldn't be looking at rentals or aging players.

Media just picked up on the "Flames would add if they are in a playoff position" sound bite to write an article when it's same thing that's been said all off-season and into this season by Conroy.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

That narrative hasn't changed if you really listen too what Conroy is saying though.

Back to the offseason Conroy said he'd be open to add if they thought the piece was in the age range that helped the team now and in the future (18-25), and even in that interview he still said they wouldn't be looking at rentals or aging players.

Media just picked up on the "Flames would add if they are in a playoff position" sound bite to write an article when it's same thing that's been said all off-season and into this season by Conroy.

I did listen to the interview. He wasn't talking about age range piece about adding at the deadline if the team was in the mix. It was getting them help now.

I also think its 18-23 that he is targeting.

Nothing has happened so it's not something to be upset about. I don't think they will be in a position to do something anyways.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

That narrative hasn't changed if you really listen too what Conroy is saying though.

Back to the offseason Conroy said he'd be open to add if they thought the piece was in the age range that helped the team now and in the future (18-25), and even in that interview he still said they wouldn't be looking at rentals or aging players.

Media just picked up on the "Flames would add if they are in a playoff position" sound bite to write an article when it's same thing that's been said all off-season and into this season by Conroy.

If there’s one thing that’s kind of entertaining to follow through all this armchair GM stuff, it’s watching how little Conroy’s position has changed from day one, how consistent his moves have been, and yet how far the fan base and media like to swing back and forth and how differently that info is interpreted based on team performance.

[Jason14h]

You need homegrown superstars to win the cup. Vegas is the only exception to the rule (St.L I could argue is another outlier but they had a homegrown goalie stand on their head)

You (usually) only get a homegrown superstar with a top (2) pick. (unless you live in Vegas or Florida or NY and one demands a trade to you! Good luck with that Calgary)

So we can properly tank for a good/better chance at this superstar or hope we find the next late first, 2nd rounder superstar, which is about a 1% chance every draft historically.

The JG era Flames actually hit on the hardest part - Finding a late round star/superstar AND hitting a superstar at pick 6. The odds of finding those 2 players in those spots was 11.5% - 4.9% for MT and 0.6-0.3% for JG Depending if you think they end with 750 or 1000 career points.

You could argue they acquired a star in Lindholm (Lindholm is fine as 5/6th best player) in a trade, and even argue Hanifin fits the star category (I'm not a fan, but I can buy the argument)

The problem? We didn't have the top 2 drafted superstar to augment all these really smart/talented/lucky parts.

All the Stanley Cup winning teams find the extra players outside of the top 2 picks. Thats why they don't end up as the Buffalo's . However, they ALSO have those key foundation guys

The Flames may have found one in Wolf. They may/hope they get another one out of the existing prospects. And eventually they should/may acquire one or two stars in trades/UFA

They will still be missing the superstar(s) to augment them.

I would argue even Carolina and Dallas have this same problem. People love to point to Dallas but to me they are missing the true superstar on their roster, and its very hard to get one you don't develop because they don't become available, and the Kucherov's of the league come around once or twice every decade in the 2nd round.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Well, prior to the most recent skid the media was chattering about it ('if they are in a playoff spot') - but in this situation, I'm speaking more specifically to Paulie's concern that the owners are going to force Conroy to build for the 'now'

I don't believe, the Flames have said its a "rebuild"..

I don't personally believe they will hit rock bottom (i.e. like the Sharks or Hawks).

Guessing they won't be in the bottom 10, nor will they make the playoffs. Likely just outside, few points out.

However I don't see the Flames sending out picks for pending UFAs

I would guess they are looking for a center, that they can control for several years.... That is likely really hard to find.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Carolina and Dallas are good examples lacking that true star and #1C.

Carolina has great regular seasons, and they get knocked out in the playoffs because they don't have a game breaking star who can score the big goals.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Ok but until that happens why worry about it?
Judge the team by what is happening, not what MAY happen.

Worrying about it will change Conroy's strategy.

It's basic science.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Carolina and Dallas are good examples lacking that true star and #1C.

Carolina has great regular seasons, and they get knocked out in the playoffs because they don't have a game breaking star who can score the big goals.

Sebastian Aho isnt a #1?

As for the playoff comment...seriously?

Of all the teams in last years playoffs

Carolina was #2 in goals per game ahead of Edmonton and Florida. Behind Avs.

Carolina was 10th in goals against per game.


Their issue is and was not "stars", it is and was last year, goaltending.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Both Carolina and Colorado played 2 rounds. Playoffs stats are not a great way to make that point. Usually as teams go deeper the goals for drop.

I forgot about Aho but he doesn’t scream star the way a Barkov does.

[spennywalks]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Sebastian Aho isnt a #1?

As for the playoff comment...seriously?

Of all the teams in last years playoffs

Carolina was #2 in goals per game ahead of Edmonton and Florida. Behind Avs.

Carolina was 10th in goals against per game.


Their issue is and was not "stars", it is and was last year, goaltending.

Aho is a number 1. But he isnt a cup winning number 1. Almost like thatsone of the biggest reasons the Hurricanes havent been able to get over the playoff hump!

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by spennywalks

Aho is a number 1. But he isnt a cup winning number 1. Almost like thatsone of the biggest reasons the Hurricanes havent been able to get over the playoff hump!

Well yeah.....none of them are til they are.

Like...95% of them arent.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by spennywalks

Aho is a number 1. But he isnt a cup winning number 1. Almost like thatsone of the biggest reasons the Hurricanes havent been able to get over the playoff hump!

Barkov was not a Cup winning number one until last year. You usually have to win the Cup to be a Cup winning number one.

[Ped]

Yeah, we've seen this time and time again that players are looked upon as not able to win - and then they do. Steve Yzerman was the poster boy for this. Ryan O'Reilly. Matthew Tkachuk. Jack Eichel. Barkov. Marian Hossa. Ovechkin. Brett Hull.