American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[GullFoss]

Luigi clearly broke the law and killed a man with a family. And that's wrong. I won't condone murder. But I'm quite curious to see if a jury finds him guilty. In a broken system of systemic corruption and unequal treatment of the law, will a jury of his peers find him "not guilty" to send a message. That would be similar to what happened in the OJ trial, where a message was sent by the jury, loud and clear.

There are so many interesting angles of this story.

One - about one person is murdered in NYC everyday and none of them get trans-national coverage. Why is this CEO special? Crickets on that. The billionaire media steps up for one of their own?

Two - is the CEO of a health insurance company a stand-up member of society or a parasite? Crickets on that. I mean, was the fact that he was the CEO of a parasitic institution, getting rich on ripping off everyday Americans in their hour of need...did that have something to do with the motives of the killer?

Three - the CEO was under investigation for insider trading. Why hasn't that been discussed when talking about the character of the individual?

Four - does this send a message to the healthcare industry? If not, how many copycats would it take before a message is received? How do we feel about that message of vigilante justice?


This is a truly fascinating story IMO

[GullFoss]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1866201601746325904

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Luigi clearly broke the law and killed a man with a family. And that's wrong. I won't condone murder. But I'm quite curious to see if a jury finds him guilty. In a broken system of systemic corruption and unequal treatment of the law, will a jury of his peers find him "not guilty" to send a message. That would be similar to what happened in the OJ trial, where a message was sent by the jury, loud and clear.

There are so many interesting angles of this story.

One - about one person is murdered in NYC everyday and none of them get trans-national coverage. Why is this CEO special? Crickets on that. The billionaire media steps up for one of their own?

Two - is the CEO of a health insurance company a stand-up member of society or a parasite? Crickets on that. I mean, was the fact that he was the CEO of a parasitic institution, getting rich on ripping off everyday Americans in their hour of need...did that have something to do with the motives of the killer?

Three - the CEO was under investigation for insider trading. Why hasn't that been discussed when talking about the character of the individual?

Four - does this send a message to the healthcare industry? If not, how many copycats would it take before a message is received? How do we feel about that message of vigilante justice?

This is a truly fascinating story IMO

US justice tends to side with the wealthier more powerful one, so I don't see this guy getting off.

1- well it should be obvious.

2- likely, considering the messages on the bullets

3- we are too busy laughing at the monopoly money

4-obviously...with the reversal on anesthetics. I think the better question is will there be any lasting changes, to which I reply "hah!" Vigilante justice is just a sign that people have had enough, and this is seen as their last recourse. It's a sign the system isn't working for the people, and, well, it's hard not to argue that.

[CroFlames]

Sounds like a smart person. Maybe his intention was to get caught so he can bring to light the corrupt system in what will surely be a publicized trial.

Might view himself as a freedom fighter.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Sounds like a smart person. Maybe his intention was to get caught so he can bring to light the corrupt system in what will surely be a publicized trial.

Might view himself as a freedom fighter.

A criminologist I saw on the news predicted that he likely wasn't trying too hard and was always expecting to get caught. That doesn't mean that he was just going to turn himself in, but that he'd just go on with things until they found him. He was probably as surprised as anyone that it took this long.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Guy had a tragic life:


https://apnews.com/article/daniel-pe...bdb6734a7b999a

He also had four previous arrests for assaults on strangers, three against women, including one where he broke the nose and orbital bone of a 67 year old woman. Before Penny put him in a chokehold, he was threatening other passengers and shouting “someone is going to die today.”

Tragic life. Also a history of violence against women in public places. A jury made up mostly of women acquitted Penny. I expect their lived experiences of fear in public places played some role.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Luigi clearly broke the law and killed a man with a family. And that's wrong. I won't condone murder. But I'm quite curious to see if a jury finds him guilty.

You can't shoot people dead on the sidewalk in the middle of the day and not be guilty.

How can he not be guilty?

[SebC]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

You can't shoot people dead on the sidewalk in the middle of the day and not be guilty.

How can he not be guilty?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justifiable_homicide

Or, ya know, a jury goes rogue.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

You can't shoot people dead on the sidewalk in the middle of the day and not be guilty.

How can he not be guilty?

How can the guy who just strangled a dude to death on a subway be found innocent? OJ? Rich people get away with it all the time.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by SebC

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justifiable_homicide

Or, ya know, a jury goes rogue.

A homicide may be considered justified if it is done to prevent a very serious crime, such as rape, armed robbery, manslaughter or murder.

Were any of these in play in this situation?

Further

A homicide performed out of vengeance, or retribution for action in the past, or in pursuit of a "fleeing felon" (except under specific circumstances) would not be considered justifiable.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Were any of these in play in this situation?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_murder

There is an argument that in killing the CEO, he was protecting lives. Doctrine of necessity.

Will that argument fly? I'm not sure, but it would make a damn interesting case.

[GirlySports]

Family owns two well known country clubs in the area -

Hayfields Country Club and Turf Valley.

He has a cousin who is a Republican delegate to the state house of reps from district 42a - Baltimore county as well.

Stunning. Easiest guess was he had an axe to grind from denial of coverage for someone? Just generic hatred against corporations? But holy hell, that guy came from MONEY. They could pay for anything.

[Looch City]

Plot twist: his motives were actually initiated by billionaires connected to his family that had some beef with that CEO.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

But he has leverage, you're the one who either needs the deal or trying to stop a deal. Step 1: punch you in the face, step 2, let's negotiate.

Every time Trump threatens Mexico, they shape up. Canada not so much because the situation isn't as bad and Canada has trade weapons of their own.

Again, people always think Trump is lying until he's talking about you.

Leverage is only useful if you know how to use a lever.

Drumpf is the equivalent of a child throwing a tantrum in a supermarket over candy.

Walk away.

[bluejays]

The story of this Luigi guy getting caught is so odd. The news stories say a McDonald's employee called the police on him saying he was sitting there eating. But to my knowledge was his name out there on the news prior to his arrest? We also had a limited image and not the guys full face. How would random McDonald's employee know this is the guy? I'm just confused.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by bluejays

The story of this Luigi guy getting caught is so odd. The news stories say a McDonald's employee called the police on him saying he was sitting there eating. But to my knowledge was his name out there on the news prior to his arrest? We also had a limited image and not the guys full face. How would random McDonald's employee know this is the guy? I'm just confused.

You just call the police since the guy's picture was all over the news, even if not 100% clear. And if it's not him, no big deal.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

You can't shoot people dead on the sidewalk in the middle of the day and not be guilty.

How can he not be guilty?

I suppose there might be provocation (which reduces murder to manslaughter). But in Canada it's hard to establish and any kind of planning or time difference eliminates it. A common provocation defence was "unnwanted homsexual advance"

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Yamer

Because of course that would be the kind of name he has.

Any relation to Chuck?

He changed his name from Mangiapane.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Luigi clearly broke the law and killed a man with a family. And that's wrong. I won't condone murder.

Really? I will. Plenty of people whose murder I'd cheer. Not sure about this guy in particular, but...

[Paulie Walnuts]

The marine who choked the guy to death getting off is much worse. Get off free.