2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Svartsengi]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I think if the cost for Dallas to acquire Andersson is Stankhoven then Dallas walks away. From the rumour, it would be tough enough just to get Bourque included. I wonder about something like this:

To Dallas:
Andersson + Coleman (50% retained)

To Calgary:
Bourque
2025 1st round pick
2025 2nd round pick
Conditional 2026 2nd round pick (becomes a 1st round pick if Dallas makes the Conference finals in 2026)

Too much? Too little? Depends on your views on Bourque and what he projects to be. Personally I think he’s a good bet to be a solid 3rd line center in the NHL with an outside chance to develop into a 2nd line center.

I think if Bourque is going to become a 3rd liner and not top six Flames should not Trade Andersson for that package. Coleman for a future 3rd liner sounds good. The draft picks are nice but will be late in each round harder to find top end forwards in those draft positions.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I think if the cost for Dallas to acquire Andersson is Stankhoven then Dallas walks away. From the rumour, it would be tough enough just to get Bourque included. I wonder about something like this:

To Dallas:
Andersson + Coleman (50% retained)

To Calgary:
Bourque
2025 1st round pick
2025 2nd round pick
Conditional 2026 2nd round pick (becomes a 1st round pick if Dallas makes the Conference finals in 2026)

Too much? Too little? Depends on your views on Bourque and what he projects to be. Personally I think he’s a good bet to be a solid 3rd line center in the NHL with an outside chance to develop into a 2nd line center.

Usually I'm on the other side of this, but I don't actually think that's enough for the flames.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Svartsengi

I think if Bourque is going to become a 3rd liner and not top six Flames should not Trade Andersson for that package. Coleman for a future 3rd liner sounds good. The draft picks are nice but will be late in each round harder to find top end forwards in those draft positions.

I do agree that ideally Andersson will return a centre prospect with a higher ceiling like Iginla, Helenius, Danielson or Ritchie… but it will be tough to get any of those teams to give up prospects like that. Not impossible but it takes a lot of eagerness on the team that wants Andersson for them to include a player like that.

[Nelson]

Bourque is a 2020 1st rounder (Zary’s draft). He is a 22 year old right-handed centre who won the AHL MVP award last season. He also won the QMJHL’s playoff MVP trophy one season. He’s buried in Dallas right now, but I think he qualifies as a blue chipper. I’d consider him a legitimate centrepiece in any return for Andersson, and I’d wager a Stars fan would be mighty unhappy to see him included in any trade.

There’s no way the Flames are getting Johnston or Stankoven, so the Stars can give us our young centre in the form of Bourque.

[Enoch Root]

Bourque and Lundqvist is not enough for Andersson.

I agree that DAL would be hard-pressed to trade Stankoven, but if the return starts with Bourque, it needs more than Lundqvist and a 2nd.

No chance on the Bourque + Coleman proposal, IMO. The Flames would want way more than that.

Looking at it with picks as the currency, Andersson is probably worth 1st + 2 2nds. Coleman 50% retained is worth maybe a 1st + 3rd, or at a bare minimum, 2 2nds.

So that's 2 1sts, 2 2nds and a 3rd, for the 2 of them. And salary would have to come back as well, or DAL wouldn't be able to do it.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Bourque and Lundqvist is not enough for Andersson.

I agree that DAL would be hard-pressed to trade Stankoven, but if the return starts with Bourque, it needs more than Lundqvist and a 2nd.

No chance on the Bourque + Coleman proposal, IMO. The Flames would want way more than that.

Looking at it with picks as the currency, Andersson is probably worth 1st + 2 2nds. Coleman 50% retained is worth maybe a 1st + 3rd, or at a bare minimum, 2 2nds.

So that's 2 1sts, 2 2nds and a 3rd, for the 2 of them. And salary would have to come back as well, or DAL wouldn't be able to do it.

Not that it would happen, but it actually seems like a solid return when you break it down that way. Andersson getting a 1st, 2nd, 2nd that could be a 1st. Then it's basically Coleman for Bourque 1 for 1 which I think is more than he's worth. I would do that trade and I think Bourque still has a higher upside than 3rd line C, hes buried on Dallas playing 10 mins a night.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Bourque is a 2020 1st rounder (Zary’s draft). He is a 22 year old right-handed centre who won the AHL MVP award last season. He also won the QMJHL’s playoff MVP trophy one season. He’s buried in Dallas right now, but I think he qualifies as a blue chipper. I’d consider him a legitimate centrepiece in any return for Andersson, and I’d wager a Stars fan would be mighty unhappy to see him included in any trade.

There’s no way the Flames are getting Johnston or Stankoven, so the Stars can give us our young centre in the form of Bourque.

Bourque is like getting a slightly better Pelletier. Pelletier is 10 months older though.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

And salary would have to come back as well, or DAL wouldn't be able to do it.

Actually, Seguin is out 4-6 months, do Dallas can put his 9.875 million dollar cap hit on LTIR.

[Snuffleupagus]

Unless it's an overpay Andersson shouldn't be traded unless Conroy knows he's not interested in staying.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Bourque is like getting a slightly better Pelletier. Pelletier is 10 months older though.

Pelletier passed through waivers.

Bourque is quite a bit better, although I do think he is overrated.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Unless it's an overpay Andersson shouldn't be traded unless Conroy knows he's not interested in staying.

If he is traded, the timing will likely dictate his return a lot. For example, if we break up the potential periods and what should be the return:

1. If traded between now and the TDL, I think the return would have to be really high. Conroy would have to be convinced he is getting enough of a return to completely disrupt the team (which is in a playoff spot) and to abandon any hope of re-signing him. Any team acquiring him in this time period has 2 potential playoff attempts with Andersson on his current contract (which is really cheap for what he brings). Andersson is playing the best hockey of his career. He is likely the best defenceman to be available in either trade or free agency for the next 2 seasons. This is a lot of value for any team acquiring him right now. They have to overcome his value to the flames in order to convince Conroy to trade him.

Should return a young centre top prospect + 1st round pick (top 5 protected) ++
The ++ is dependent on the quality of the young centre).

2. If traded in the offseason, his value is a bit more of a mix based on being able to sign him to an extension. If an acquiring team is able to negotiate an extension with him before he is traded, that should return a similar value to what Calgary should get right now. If Andersson is not willing to extend with an acquiring team (i.e. he plans to test free agency in 2026), that likely diminishes his value a bit since the team knows they are only getting him for one year (one playoff run).

If he won’t sign an extension with his new team, he should return a young centre + 1st round pick (top 10 protected) + 2nd round pick. The 2nd round pick might be removed if it’s an A-level prospect

3. If traded during the 2025-2026 season, he should return close to what Hanifin or Lindholm did. That means a 1st round pick + early to mid-20s centre that has potential to be a middle-six player but is buried in a team with lots of centre talent (equivalent to the centre version of Miromanov or Brz) - likely not a top prospect but a decent one. Throw in a 3rd round pick as well.

[Goriders]

Anderson is our best player. You’d better get something in return that’s a can’t miss.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Pelletier passed through waivers.

Bourque is quite a bit better, although I do think he is overrated.

My point was more he has not done much to be a cornerstone of any deal. Next year Bourque may get his chance to pass through waivers.

[Bonded]

I think people are going to be disappointed with an Andersson return with some of the expectations being thrown out. Hronek and Chychrun returns are the comparables.

[sureLoss]

on HNIC:

In the aftermath of the Trouba trade, players are asking the NHLPA to consider changing NTC/NMCs in CBA negotiations
They don't want a 2 layers of trade protection for trades or waivers. Current system one prevents trades, one prevents waivers.
Want 1 protection, where a player submits a list and cannot be traded to any team on the list or claimed off waivers by any team on the list

Senators very confident that Brady Tkachuk will stay in Ottawa
Sens fans will just have to live with the noise of his name coming up every so often

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Andersson is worth a kings ransom and Conroy knows that.
Any return would be huge for the Flames, this is the year to get maximum value.

So it essentially comes down to Rasmus and if he wants to stay and rebuild for the next 3-5 years or go try for a cup in his prime.

I do know that Craig had interest in resigning him, but Rasmus didn’t want to commit long term in the summer.

Steinberg’s latest suggests the Flames want to keep him, but it’ll be up to the player.

I like Rasmus, but I’m not into committing more big money to players in their late 20’s to mid-30’s, especially with the D pipeline in the system.

It’s an easy ‘pass’ for me, but the other side of Ras is he’s an outstanding spokesperson and community ambassador, AKA captain material. If the Flames give him the same pitch as Backlund and he decides to stick around, there could be worse things.

I don’t think Ras staying or going will dramatically impact the rebuild, though I sure would love the king’s ransom he’d command to add to our other draft and prospect capital.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

on HNIC:

In the aftermath of the Trouba trade, players are asking the NHLPA to consider changing NTC/NMCs in CBA negotiations
They don't want a 2 layers of trade protection for trades or waivers. Current system one prevents trades, one prevents waivers.
Want 1 protection, where a player submits a list and cannot be traded to any team on the list or claimed off waivers by any team on the list

Would think the players would have to give up something very significant to get that concession, if the owners would even consider it.

[Canada 02]

waiver protection in exchange for shorter contract term
done

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

on HNIC:

In the aftermath of the Trouba trade, players are asking the NHLPA to consider changing NTC/NMCs in CBA negotiations
They don't want a 2 layers of trade protection for trades or waivers. Current system one prevents trades, one prevents waivers.
Want 1 protection, where a player submits a list and cannot be traded to any team on the list or claimed off waivers by any team on the list

Senators very confident that Brady Tkachuk will stay in Ottawa
Sens fans will just have to live with the noise of his name coming up every so often

Imagine being the small market team that not only can’t lure free agents, but are on waiver exempt lists?

Talk about a competitive imbalance. Zero chance owners go for something like that.

[stemit14]

Buffalo with their 6th loss in a row tonight. What is the solution for that franchise? I can’t believe it’s another rebuild through the draft… they’ve tried that so much for so long and never made anything of it. Seems like most players become big contributors on winning teams when they leave Buffalo.

They still have arguably the deepest or one of the deepest prospect pools in the league. They have high level prospects in virtually every position. So they have the choice to start trading some of those prospects for impact players (could be tough to do with no trade lists that likely include Buffalo), trade their actual NHL players that aren’t getting it done, or keep being patient and hope it pays off.

Would love to pry Helenius from them more than any other prospect in their system IMO.