American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

The memes coming out of the CEO murder have been absolute gold. This is what reddit was made for.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

psycnet, pepsi free, lanny mcdonald, looch city, rube cube, and a bunch of other folks who circle jerk each other how enlightened they are have made the off topic forum unbearable.

You are the 20% of people Cliff is referring to who do nothin but spread toxicity. Over an over it's complaining and targeting outgroups who don't agree with your political position. Everyone who voted for the UCP is an "Idiot" who doesn't care about anyone but themselves. This is simply not true. You don't have a monopoly on morality, but you sure act like it.

We also tell jokes, laugh at jokes, talk about how bad drivers are, really all sorts of things.

But considering this is in response to Cliff jerking himself off lover how enlightened he is and complaining about an outgroup he defined because they don’t agree with his political position, I’m guessing this was less about making an insightful point and more about you having finally worked up the courage to complain about people you don’t like.

In which case, feel better big guy?

[blender]

Originally Posted by SebC

Occupy Wall Street would be the non-violent equivalent, no?

Anyways, United Health Care has the highest claim denial rate in the industry at 32%. That's a lot of people who have motive.

The Occupy movements and metoo would be of the type, yes, but I'm thinking more like the Independence from British rule movement in India or Civil rights in the US as examples of non-violent resistance movements that had a measurable and lasting effect.

[corporatejay]

forget it.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Yamer

I think the issue with what Cliff said and how he phrased it isn't that it isn't true. The problem is that it flippantly dismisses people that are still struggling to live and be accepted..

I’m not dismissive of people struggling in our society. I do have contempt for people who think political violence is the way to help them. Anyone who believes a breakdown of civil norms and the rule of law will bring about a socialist revolution is beyond delusional. The last thing that will be on the minds of those who crawl out of the rubble of broken institutions is rainbow flags, unless it’s to set them on fire.

[GullFoss]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1865105541300625515

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Well, if you did vote for the UCP you either have to enjoy the prospect of being lied to and having someone who doesn't believe in science, or using data to support policy positions, practices vengeance politics, generally has cruel policy positions for the vulnerable, and you think all of that stuff is OK...for ...reasons? or you are a complete idiot. If you are the former, it's pretty hard to support that accepting those things in a leader makes you an intelligent person. No one has ever put forward a reasonable defense that can refute that conclusion. Happy to hear someone try, but it hasn't happened yet. You can do do in the appropriate thread.

That's pretty rich statement which includes the following logical fallacies
Ad Hominem Fallacy
Straw Man Fallacy
False Cause Fallacy
False Dilemma

While political disagreements can be passionate, equating a person’s intelligence with their voting choice oversimplifies the issue and often reflects bias rather than reason. A better approach is to understand why people make the choices they do and engage in constructive dialogue, even if you disagree.

Pot calling the kettle....

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I’m not dismissive of people struggling in our society. I do have contempt for people who think political violence is the way to help them. Anyone who believes a breakdown of civil norms and the rule of law will bring about a socialist revolution is beyond delusional. The last thing that will be on the minds of those who crawl out of the rubble of broken institutions is rainbow flags, unless it’s to set them on fire.

The breakdown of civil norms and the rule of law has been occurring for decades. Have you just not been paying attention because it's happening in board rooms instead of in the streets?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by blender

It's the only thing that has ever worked.
Also, I don't see any kind of organized NVP movement of substance at all in the last few decades that I can think of, at least in the western world.

The civil rights movement was not non-violent. That's a liberal, white-washed version of history designed for a pacifist pedagogy, which primarily benefits those who hold power.

[Monahammer]

This thread is the perfect example of why it's so bad for society. Ultimately, it's unlikely anyone who visits or has ever visited this forum is a billionaire. Thus, none of the people on this forum are likely to be a cause for overarching societal woes today.

Yet we already have tribalism here where we're pointing out who's "in a board room!" or who's "got privilege". This is a speed run towards a mob rule where the mobs focus progressively broadens to include anyone who can be seen to offend the mob even lightly. Historically speaking this has happened several times, so should be expected. Notably the guillotine was literally invented because of one such occasion and too many people "needing" to be executed.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

That's pretty rich statement which includes the following logical fallacies
Ad Hominem Fallacy
Straw Man Fallacy
False Cause Fallacy
False Dilemma

While political disagreements can be passionate, equating a person’s intelligence with their voting choice oversimplifies the issue and often reflects bias rather than reason. A better approach is to understand why people make the choices they do and engage in constructive dialogue, even if you disagree.

Pot calling the kettle....

Do you do this?

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Do you do this?

We are all flawed but I am not making usually holier than thou grandiose statements backed up by nothing.

Since Pickle is a BIG SCIENCE guy there is no scientic conensus between political affliation and intelligence, the more likely reason is cognitive styles and not IQ.

He is setting the bar so high, it will bite him in the ass because left wing politicains do all the the samethings he accuses Danielle Smith, he will look like a moron making excuses and how its "not the same"

intelligence knows no bias.

Some studies suggest a slight correlation between general intelligence (IQ) and liberal ideologies, but these correlations are weak and often criticized for oversimplifying human behavior.

Other research finds that individuals with lower levels of cognitive reflection (gut-based decision-making) may lean conservative, while those with higher reflection may lean liberal. This is not a judgment on intelligence but on decision-making style.

Political alignment often reflects values rather than cognitive ability:
Conservatives may value tradition, stability, and social hierarchies.
Liberals may value progress, equality, and inclusivity.
These values do not inherently correlate with intelligence but with worldview and upbringing.

But alas he may just be consuming a lot of media washed scientific reporting.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

That's pretty rich statement which includes the following logical fallacies
Ad Hominem Fallacy
Straw Man Fallacy
False Cause Fallacy
False Dilemma

While political disagreements can be passionate, equating a person’s intelligence with their voting choice oversimplifies the issue and often reflects bias rather than reason. A better approach is to understand why people make the choices they do and engage in constructive dialogue, even if you disagree.

Pot calling the kettle....

Well for #### sakes, someone take the baton and explain it, because in the time since Smith was elected, not one person on CP has ever even attempted to justify how those tradeoffs are worth it and stand behind their UCP vote.

We had the dialog before the election. All was laid out why this was a terrible choice, and people did it anyway. If these reasons are so worthy, lets hear them. In the Alberta thread.

[Fuzz]

Also....

Researchers Find That Higher Intelligence Is Correlated With Left-Wing Beliefs
"Our results imply that being genetically predisposed to be smarter causes left-wing beliefs."

https://futurism.com/neoscope/left-w...s-intelligence


And there is no shortage of polling showing the more education a person has, the more likely they are to vote for progressive parties. It's almost like intelligence and knowledge lead to the rejection of bat#### crazy. Fascinating stuff.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Well for #### sakes, someone take the baton and explain it, because in the time since Smith was elected, not one person on CP has ever even attempted to justify how those tradeoffs are worth it and stand behind their UCP vote.

We had the dialog before the election. All was laid out why this was a terrible choice, and people did it anyway. If these reasons are so worthy, lets hear them. In the Alberta thread.

Well i didn't vote UCP so gonna have to be someone else.

My point is equating IQ or intelligence to political preference is not a scienitific consensus, so if you want to accuse other people of not following science, ya better be following it yourself.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Also....



https://futurism.com/neoscope/left-w...s-intelligence


And there is no shortage of polling showing the more education a person has, the more likely they are to vote for progressive parties. It's almost like intelligence and knowledge lead to the rejection of bat#### crazy. Fascinating stuff.

LOL

from the actual paper NOT the "media" article

between cognitive ability and political beliefs

literally what i posted above

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...60289624000254

Just to recap what i said in my post above

Cognitive ability and intelligence are related concepts but are not identical.

so my point about you being media washed was correct.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I chat with small prairie town conspiracy types every so often because I'm related to some

The response to that information would be something akin to: Maybe the schools are just brainwashing/grooming students into left-wing thinking. This perverse evil is starting at the grassroots level. It's all a part of the system that Trump is fighting to his last breath to defeat.

And then claim that only they can see this because they are "awake", unvaxxed and click refuse to all website cookie prompts.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

We are all flawed but I am not making usually holier than thou grandiose statements backed up by nothing.

Since Pickle is a BIG SCIENCE guy there is no scientic conensus between political affliation and intelligence, the more likely reason is cognitive styles and not IQ.

He is setting the bar so high, it will bite him in the ass because left wing politicains do all the the samethings he accuses Danielle Smith, he will look like a moron making excuses and how its "not the same"

intelligence knows no bias.

But alas he may just be consuming a lot of media washed scientific reporting.

Just to back the truck up for a sec here, where are these quotes from? Googling doesn't provide a result that matches the text in your quotes. Are these your words? AI? Johnny Keyboard?



Common courtesy, particularly when discussing scientific topics, is that if you put something in a quote, you source where it's from so others can see the context.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Yet we already have tribalism here where we're pointing out who's "in a board room!" or who's "got privilege".

"Board room" is essentially code for the white collar crime, corruption, two-tiered justice system and overall oligarchical rule that have not been abiding by any societal norms for decades, and certainly not the the rule of law.

They are also largely responsible for creating and maintaining the material conditions that make violent crime and populist sentiment more likely.

Calling out Cliff's repeated hypocrisy and store-bought bad takes isn't tribalism.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

LOL

from the actual paper NOT the "media" article



literally what i posted above

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...60289624000254

Just to recap what i said in my post above
so my point about you being media washed was correct.

It sounds more insulting to say right wing beliefs correlate with lower cognitive ability.

Also directly from your link

Our results imply that being genetically predisposed to be smarter causes left-wing beliefs.

And

We found both IQ and polygenic scores significantly predicted all six of our political scales. Polygenic scores predicted social liberalism and lower authoritarianism, within-families. Intelligence was able to significantly predict social liberalism and lower authoritarianism, within families, even after controlling for socioeconomic variables. Our findings may provide the strongest causal inference to date of intelligence directly affecting political beliefs.

. So IQ also significantly predicts political preference.