4 nations rosters

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Sanheim, Jarvis, Bennett, Cirelli, Parayko all seem pretty questionable given the talent available...

Like who (in particular, what forwards)? I can think of only 3 guys that have more points than Bennett and Cirelli. None of those guys have rings (and I suspect Scheifele is a little banged up).

[Tbull8]

Sure they're all having good seasons, but guys like Bedard and Celebrini are the future for Hockey Canada

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Sure they're all having good seasons, but guys like Bedard and Celebrini are the future for Hockey Canada

Yes.

You have a 20 man roster (actually more), and there is room for a couple young guys. You want to give your future leaders a taste - a chance to play with the current leaders, and to experience the event, so that when it is their turn to lead the team, they are ready.

I always liked the way the Russians handled this. They would put their next young stars on a line together, play them together, and let them grow and develop and build chemistry together. Eventually, that young line would become the top line.

There is a lot more to building a team like this than just 'we need experienced checkers'. Fans want to see talent. And they want to see young, future stars. And there is a responsibility to the future, and future teams. There needs to be a continuity of purpose.

Instead, we choose a GM and coach, as a favour/reward, and let them pick their favorites. Completely ass-backwards, IMO.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Like who (in particular, what forwards)? I can think of only 3 guys that have more points than Bennett and Cirelli. None of those guys have rings (and I suspect Scheifele is a little banged up).

See, this is nuts to me that you're thinking in these terms. Just ask yourself, "can I think of guys who are better at playing hockey than these guys". You don't need to look at point totals, you know, presumably, that McDavid is better at hockey than Jesper Bratt. And the rings thing is just ridiculous.

I feel like Frank Grimes on the Simpsons when these discussions happen. Has the whole world gone insane? Just... some guys are VERY clearly better at playing hockey than other guys!

[Locke]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I've said it before in other international hockey threads.

The mechanism already exists for a true best on best tournament. Every 4th year, the NHL starts its season 1 month earlier and skip the ASG. The Stanley Cup gets awarded in early May. The World Championship gets revamped into the World Cup in those quadrennial years. Complete with legitimate qualifying campaigns for smaller nations. The first two or three World Cups should be hosted in Canada/US, then some joint European hosts in future years like FIN/SWE combined, GER or maybe even Russia one day.

People act like this is a hard concept, but it's only hard because the NHL wants to control the tournament and reap 100% of the profits.

And for whatever inexplicable reason the NHL loves their All-Star Game.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

See, this is nuts to me that you're thinking in these terms. Just ask yourself, "can I think of guys who are better at playing hockey than these guys". You don't need to look at point totals, you know, presumably, that McDavid is better at hockey than Jesper Bratt. And the rings thing is just ridiculous.

I feel like Frank Grimes on the Simpsons when these discussions happen. Has the whole world gone insane? Just... some guys are VERY clearly better at playing hockey than other guys!

Well, I asked "like who". And to your point, Bennett and Cirelli are probably prime examples of guys who have contrbutions outside of points. The rings thing is not ridiculous - both of those guys were important parts of winning teams.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yes.

You have a 20 man roster (actually more), and there is room for a couple young guys. You want to give your future leaders a taste - a chance to play with the current leaders, and to experience the event, so that when it is their turn to lead the team, they are ready.

I always liked the way the Russians handled this. They would put their next young stars on a line together, play them together, and let them grow and develop and build chemistry together. Eventually, that young line would become the top line.

There is a lot more to building a team like this than just 'we need experienced checkers'. Fans want to see talent. And they want to see young, future stars. And there is a responsibility to the future, and future teams. There needs to be a continuity of purpose.

Instead, we choose a GM and coach, as a favour/reward, and let them pick their favorites. Completely ass-backwards, IMO.

I don't disagree that picking favorites is dumb. But I don't think they are developing guys for future tournaments either. This is probably a one off - look how long its been since the last similar tournament.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Does one highlight mean an entire tournament now carries prestige? Is anyone talking about the 2016 world cup as a cap in a players feather?

It sure looked like the players cared about it, but you can measure prestige however you want.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don't disagree that picking favorites is dumb. But I don't think they are developing guys for future tournaments either. This is probably a one off - look how long its been since the last similar tournament.

It's a one-off in the sense that they likely don't do this specific event again.

But it is not a one-off at all, in the sense that there will continue to be international tournaments and a Team Canada.

In fact, considering how few tournaments there have been in the recent past, I would think they would want to be VERY focused on re-establishing an ongoing vision.

[EldrickOnIce]

We knew the US would have better goaltending.
By the look of the rosters they are better at forward, defense and goaltending.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Locke

And for whatever inexplicable reason the NHL loves their All-Star Game.

$$$$$

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It's a one-off in the sense that they likely don't do this specific event again.

But it is not a one-off at all, in the sense that there will continue to be international tournaments and a Team Canada.

In fact, considering how few tournaments there have been in the recent past, I would think they would want to be VERY focused on re-establishing an ongoing vision.

Well, they specifically created a young player team last time so it wasn't an issue. But I don't know rthat you create succession plans with no actual tournaments in view. The Russians were doing that aimed at the WC and Olympics.

I'm still waiting for the people who are complaining about Bennett and Cirelli to say who is obviously better to fill those spots. If it's Bedard and Celebrini OK, but then it's more about your young player roles than getting the best players for the team.

[ThatsRobbery]

Swede's announced their roster (https://www.expressen.se/sport/hocke...-nations-2025/)

FULL ROSTER

GOALIES

Filip Gustavsson, Minnesota Wild

Jacob Markström, New Jersey Devils

Linus Ullmark, Ottawa Senators

DEFENSEMEN

Rasmus Dahlin, Buffalo Sabres

Rasmus Andersson, Calgary Flames

Mattias Ekholm, Edmonton Oilers

Victor Hedman, Tampa Bay Lightning

Gustav Forsling, Florida Panther

Erik Karlsson, Pittsburgh Penguins

Jonas Brodin, Minnesota Wild

FORWARDS

Adrian Kempe, Los Angeles Kings

William Karlsson, Vegas Golden Knights

Joel Eriksson Ek, Minnesota Wild

Gustav Nyquist, Nashville Predators

Elias Pettersson, Vancouver Canucks

Lucas Raymond, Detroit Red Wings

Mika Zibanejad, New York Rangers

Leo Carlsson, Anaheim Ducks

Elias Lindholm, Boston Bruins

Viktor Arvidsson, Edmonton Oilers

Filip Forsberg, Nashville Predators

Jesper Bratt, New Jersey Devils

William Nylander, Toronto Maple Leafs


Backs and Adam Larsson are reserves.

[Reggie Dunlop]

USA should be allowed to annex Canadian players.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Goalie maybe, they are stacked eveywhere else. Best centers in the tournament, best dman.

Canada is the favourite

Really?? The US is clearly better and deeper in net... it is definitely not a maybe. I think the US has a deeper, if less talented fwd group, I think D is a wash... should be interesting.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I'm still waiting for the people who are complaining about Bennett and Cirelli to say who is obviously better to fill those spots. If it's Bedard and Celebrini OK, but then it's more about your young player roles than getting the best players for the team.

Bedard, Scheifele, Thomas, Suzuki, probably Barzal though I don't know if Barzal will be 100% by February, probably a bunch of guys I'm forgetting.

Again this isn't difficult. If you don't understand that Robert Thomas is a better hockey player than Anthony Cirelli I just don't know what sport you're watching.

[Royle9]

No Backlund for Sweden?? Just a reserve... color me shocked.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Bedard, Scheifele, Thomas, Suzuki, probably Barzal though I don't know if Barzal will be 100% by February, probably a bunch of guys I'm forgetting.

Again this isn't difficult. If you don't understand that Robert Thomas is a better hockey player than Anthony Cirelli I just don't know what sport you're watching.

Barzal is not good, Scheifele is hurt according to insiders, Bedard is IMO not better at this moment than either Bennett or Cirelli - he will be one day. Thomas is normally much better, but he only just returned from breaking his ankle. He's played seven games since. And he may not have even willing to go.

You can make a case for Suzuki, but he's more one dimensional IMO.

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Watching overdrive and leaks are starting on the rumored Canadian roster being

Reinhart Mcdavid Stone Jarvis Marner Marchand Crosby Mckinnon Hagle Point Bennett Cirelli Konecny

Toews Parayko Sanheim Makar Theodore Morrisey Pitrangelo

Binnington Hill Montembault

Discuss.

Buffalo trades Reinhart
Ottawa trades Stone
Chicago trades Hagel
Flames trade Bennett
Isles trade Toews
Ducks trade Theodore
Sharks trade Hill

What do these teams have in common? They all suck.
What do the acquiring teams have in common? They all won the Cup.

Is there an example of a team trading away a top player for futures that worked out well for the 'selling' team?

[Tbull8]

Arvidsson makes it, backlund doesnt. Wow, insulting to a guy who captained them to a World Championship gold