2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Brad was interested at one point, and the rumoured offer was poor.. correct.
These were just talks however, nothing concrete and nothing has come of it obviously.

Things could have changed, I have no updates for now.

With that said, both diss and sec have connections as well and I’m not discounting anything they hear, in fact I encourage hearing it.
I’m by no means denying what he heard, I only share what I’m told.

Absolutely, sources will leak out information given how things have progressed or not. I have no doubt Royle's info is spot on and I appreciate every post he shares on here. I am just passing along what was mentioned to me yesterday from someone I trust with Toronto news. There is a lot of gamesmanship in leaking things and most of the time it amounts to nothing, sometimes you get good info.

[stemit14]

Had a thought about a hypothetical trade with Colorado and Calgary. Colorado needs goaltending and they need cap space. The flames have cap room and a solid goaltender in Vladar.

To Colorado:
Vladar (50% retained)

To Calgary:
Georgiev
2025 1st round pick (top 10 protected)

Don’t think there’s a scenario where Vladar alone will return a first round pick. However, the flames taking on Georgiev and his $3.4 million cap for the rest of the season and retaining on Vladar might be enough to make it a 1st round pick. Calgary weaponizes its cap space. Colorado gets cap relief and a new goaltending tandem in Wedgewood and Vladar.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Brad was interested at one point, and the rumoured offer was poor.. correct.
These were just talks however, nothing concrete and nothing has come of it obviously.

Things could have changed, I have no updates for now.

With that said, both diss and sec have connections as well and I’m not discounting anything they hear, in fact I encourage hearing it.
I’m by no means denying what he heard, I only share what I’m told.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Something up Sec? Some GM hungry for a trade?

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Had a thought about a hypothetical trade with Colorado and Calgary. Colorado needs goaltending and they need cap space. The flames have cap room and a solid goaltender in Vladar.

To Colorado:
Vladar (50% retained)

To Calgary:
Georgiev
2025 1st round pick (top 10 protected)

Don’t think there’s a scenario where Vladar alone will return a first round pick. However, the flames taking on Georgiev and his $3.4 million cap for the rest of the season and retaining on Vladar might be enough to make it a 1st round pick. Calgary weaponizes its cap space. Colorado gets cap relief and a new goaltending tandem in Wedgewood and Vladar.

For 50% retained Vladar and accepting a contract dump from the Avs (in division rival), I think the return would have to be:

To Calgary:
Georgiev
2025 1st round pick (top 10 protected) for taking the contract
2026 2nd for Vladar with retention
2026 4th if they make it to the conference finals (Conroy sweetener)

[Badgers Nose]

The Brad Treliving trade playbook:

“Is it still available?”
“Would you accept a trade for some excellent condition paintball equipment?”
“$10 _CASH_”

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

For 50% retained Vladar and accepting a contract dump from the Avs (in division rival), I think the return would have to be:

To Calgary:
Georgiev
2025 1st round pick (top 10 protected) for taking the contract
2026 2nd for Vladar with retention
2026 4th if they make it to the conference finals (Conroy sweetener)

Not getting a first since he’s a ufa this year. If there was another year or 2 then sure. If there was a 2nd for Vladar on the table the deal would be done already.
Sweetener on top of that?
Colorado also isn’t in the flames division

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

For 50% retained Vladar and accepting a contract dump from the Avs (in division rival), I think the return would have to be:

To Calgary:
Georgiev
2025 1st round pick (top 10 protected) for taking the contract
2026 2nd for Vladar with retention
2026 4th if they make it to the conference finals (Conroy sweetener)

I don’t see it.

First of all, does Vladar really solve the Avalanche’s goaltending issues? I wouldn’t be that confident. If I were them, I would be looking at a more proven goalie. Gibson for example.

Second, Geogiev is a pending UFA, so the Av’s only save about $2M on the cap if you consider cap retention. Seems like recent precedent for a team to send a 1st out with a cap dump is about $6M in cap saving (Patrick Marleau and believe there were others that are escaping me at the moment). Av’s saving $2M for less than a full year is no where close to value.

Lastly, overall, that package is heavily tilted in the Flames favour. I suspect if the Flames could get a second round pick alone for Vladar the deal would be done. I think Vladar 50% retained for Geogiev and a second is probably closer yo the mark. Maybe the conditional fourth you point out could be in there too but I can’t imagine the Avalanche giving up that type of package for a guy who still has some question marks as to whether he is a 1B or a backup. Vladar’s never proven he can shoulder the load Gieorgiev has. I’m not convinced this solves the Av’s issue nor do I think they give up those assets to try and find out. That’s a mighty expensive gamble. Those assets could better spent, i suspect.

[BrownDrake]

I’m really not interested in more late round 2025 picks, I’m not one that believes Colorado is a bubble team this year. Doesn’t seem like a strong draft and we have a lot of picks already.

[Jason14h]

There is no recent precedence for moving salary dumps for 1st rounders because teams realized that is a horrible use of assets and with a raising cap it isn't worth it

People need to stop these dreams that the Flames are getting a 1st for taking on cap space.

It hasn't happened since BT the wizard made the mistake 2.5 years ago

Josh Bailey was the only player traded last season for cap space and Chicago received a mid 2nd rounder. Teams dont have the need with a raising (and expected to continue to raise) cap to sacrifice valuable draft assets (1st and 2nd rounders) to dump contracts anymore.

Heres a decent article on hypothetical value. The only two big skewed draft value for relief were Kadri and Marleau. And both in hindsight were hugh mistakes

https://puckpedia.com/news/matt-perr...ef-value-model

It sucks for the Flames that while we finally have cap space to weaponize that cap is projected to rapidly rise. Our timing is always off

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by BrownDrake

I’m really not interested in more late round 2025 picks, I’m not one that believes Colorado is a bubble team this year. Doesn’t seem like a strong draft and we have a lot of picks already.

That’s a good point. Wonder if Conroy will be interested in preferencing picks in 26 or 27, particularly if it means higher picks (say a 2nd in 26 or 27 instead of a 3rd in 25).

Saw this approach with the Hanifin trade last year, which, I thought, was smart.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

There is no recent precedence for moving salary dumps for 1st rounders because teams realized that is a horrible use of assets and with a raising cap it isn't worth it

People need to stop these dreams that the Flames are getting a 1st for taking on cap space.

It hasn't happened since BT the wizard made the mistake 2.5 years ago

Josh Bailey was the only player traded last season for cap space and Chicago received a mid 2nd rounder. Teams dont have the need with a raising (and expected to continue to raise) cap to sacrifice valuable draft assets (1st and 2nd rounders) to dump contracts anymore.

Heres a decent article on hypothetical value. The only two big skewed draft value for relief were Kadri and Marleau. And both in hindsight were hugh mistakes

https://puckpedia.com/news/matt-perr...ef-value-model

It sucks for the Flames that while we finally have cap space to weaponize that cap is projected to rapidly rise. Our timing is always off

That’s a good point you raise.

If the Flames are able to weaponize cap space, I think it’s more likely to be modest. Mid round picks for a short term fix for another team.

Wasn’t Beaulivier another recent cap dump and asset sweetener? I could see that type of deal presenting itself from a contender that needs to gain a relatively small amount.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I don’t see it.

First of all, does Vladar really solve the Avalanche’s goaltending issues? I wouldn’t be that confident. If I were them, I would be looking at a more proven goalie. Gibson for example.

Second, Geogiev is a pending UFA, so the Av’s only save about $2M on the cap if you consider cap retention. Seems like recent precedent for a team to send a 1st out with a cap dump is about $6M in cap saving (Patrick Marleau and believe there were others that are escaping me at the moment). Av’s saving $2M for less than a full year is no where close to value.

Lastly, overall, that package is heavily tilted in the Flames favour. I suspect if the Flames could get a second round pick alone for Vladar the deal would be done. I think Vladar 50% retained for Geogiev and a second is probably closer yo the mark. Maybe the conditional fourth you point out could be in there too but I can’t imagine the Avalanche giving up that type of package for a guy who still has some question marks as to whether he is a 1B or a backup. Vladar’s never proven he can shoulder the load Georgiev has. I’m not convinced this solves the Av’s issue nor do I think they give up those assets to try and find out. That’s a mighty expensive gamble. Those assets could better spent, i suspect.

What more proven goalie is available? It's been 6 years since gibson had anything like a solid season.

We might collectively forget that Vladar was a pretty well regarded goalie prospect before we acquired him. His AHL sve % is in the .92 range. He's only 27!
He played a few years as a back up on calgary teams that we all know were horrible defensively. We watched them, and so did other GMs. This year he's playing behind a better defensively minded squad (still suck though) and he's showing up well! He's only 27!

The avalanche traded for Georgiev 2 years ago, and he was actually pretty similar to Vladar last season. He was 26, behind a strong starter, good ahl numbers but sub .9 sv % as a backup. They traded 2 3rds and a 5th for that.

I do not think it's at all unreasonable to expect that Vladar alone is worth a 2nd today based on current play. I think the conditional first bump to take on georgiev's salary is also reasonable. Whether Colorado does that or not is up for debate. But they still need goalie help for sure.

[Shazam]

Vladar is very tradeable. Somebody will pony up good stuff for him.

[Enoch Root]

Yes, the price of cap space has declined significantly. During the Covid years, the cap was held relatively flat, and MANY teams were right up against it. So its value was sky high. Now the cap is rising at 5% a year, and may get an extra bump this year. The pressure isn't the same, and teams are not going to pay big premiums for a little relief.


It is the Flames way: we end up paying at the peak, giving up a 1st for a year of Monahan, then are sitting on a giant pile of space, just when the price drops. The Flames are cursed. They have always been cursed. They will forever be cursed. It is our fate.

[Puppet Guy]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Andrei Kuzmenko for a box of pirate cookies?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Gibsons career has cratered. You might as well sign Ole Stink Eye in that case.

Georgiev is a significant downgrade on Vladar. I wouldn't be opposed to that trade. If Colorado adds a piece or draft pick.

Georgiev probably assures the team finishes bottom 10 so it's a win all around. I think he is signed for next year to, so a full season of him would be spectacular for the McKenna draft.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It is the Flames way: we end up paying at the peak, giving up a 1st for a year of Monahan, then are sitting on a giant pile of space, just when the price drops. The Flames are cursed. They have always been cursed. They will forever be cursed. It is our fate.

We suffer together. This is the way.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Gibsons career has cratered. You might as well sign Ole Stink Eye in that case.

Georgiev is a significant downgrade on Vladar. I wouldn't be opposed to that trade. If Colorado adds a piece or draft pick.

Georgiev probably assures the team finishes bottom 10 so it's a win all around. I think he is signed for next year to, so a full season of him would be spectacular for the McKenna draft.

Jesse Granger was talking about Mrazik earlier this week as a potential trade candidate. His thinking being, in the right system, he’s a good bet. Wasn’t too long ago Binnington’s name was out there and apparently the Blues are high on Hofer (unlikely, I know) Blackwood’s upside is also highly regarded. Merzlikens has been available for some time as well and Tarasov is in the wings there too.
And then you can add Gibson on top of it all. Who knows, perhaps there’s more.


Of course, all these guys have/had their warts, but you would be fooling yourself if you don’t think others see Vladar in the same, or similar, light.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Vladar is very tradeable. Somebody will pony up good stuff for him.

The rumor was scouts were in the house to watch him last night no?