Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by chemgear

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...s-that-making/

Canada launches global ad campaign warning asylum-seekers that making a claim is difficult

Once presenting itself as one of the world’s most welcoming countries to refugees and immigrants, Canada is launching a global online ad campaign cautioning asylum-seekers that making a claim is hard.

The $250,000 in advertisements will run through March in 11 languages, including Spanish, Urdu, Ukrainian, Hindi and Tamil, the immigration department told Reuters.

They are part of a broader shift in tone by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s unpopular government on immigration and an effort to clamp down on refugee claims.

It may be an uphill battle. Canada’s refugee system faces a 260,000-case backlog amid growing global displacement. The government has little control over who claims asylum. Its immigration minister has hinted at fast-tracking claims deemed unlikely to succeed. The government is hoping millions of people will leave the country on their own when their visas expire, and the immigration minister has threatened to deport them if they do not.

So this is what it has come to

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

Garner trying out for the next Olympics in the 100m 'dont want to answer any questions' sprint

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6580764

Wonder who the “sources” are, and why they aren’t revealed.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

I don't think people really appreciate the sheer staggering numbers of how badly the Liberals have fumbled the immigration file and have damaged the country as a result. Nearly 5 million temporary visas expire next year. That's 13 years worth annual PR acceptance levels at the new rate of 395,000 which is ~20-25% higher than the acceptance rate during the Harper years. There's no satisfactory infrastructure in place to process the sheer amount of potential asylum claims, extension requests, and to track and deport non-compliance. That's just managing the mess Canada created on its own, nevermind the many that will swamp Canada's borders once Trump's up and running in the coming months. Massive action and dollars are needed to be spent to process claims and to track and deport non-compliance (and probably to replace post-secondary funding from international students).

How many visas expire in a typical year?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

So this is what it has come to

They dont really have much of a choice.

Canada is largely run by some pretty stupid people.

When they opened the floodgates for immigration they sort of followed the 'Covid Benefits' procedure and just accepted everyone assuming that they could figure everything else out later.

The problem that poses with regards to immigration is multi-faceted.

Who are these people? Can you find them? What are you going to do if you can? Plunk them on whatever Plane, Train or Automobile takes them back to wherever they came from? Could you even do that? Do you have the resources to do that? Do you have the Political Will to do that?

No. They've got their feet on the ground and the ship has sailed. Because the people who enacted this policy aren't qualified to run a hot-dog stand let alone a Country. All you can do now is try and close the floodgates as best you can and try and let all of the mitigating factors catch up and settle down.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Locke

The problem that poses with regards to immigration is multi-faceted.

Who are these people? Can you find them? What are you going to do if you can? Plunk them on whatever Plane, Train or Automobile takes them back to wherever they came from? Could you even do that? Do you have the resources to do that? Do you have the Political Will to do that?

No. They've got their feet on the ground and the ship has sailed. Because the people who enacted this policy aren't qualified to run a hot-dog stand let alone a Country. All you can do now is try and close the floodgates as best you can and try and let all of the mitigating factors catch up and settle down.

How do they usually deal with all of these things? How many do they typically deal with?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Wonder who the “sources” are, and why they aren’t revealed.

This your first day catching up on how journalism works? Here's a hint, that's not at all the question you should be asking.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

This your first day catching up on how journalism works? Here's a hint, that's not at all the question you should be asking.

Considering who is reporting, journalism is a strong word.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Considering who is reporting, journalism is a strong word.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/aut...reau-1.4415339


Since you are slandering her now, can you care to go in to detail on why you would diminish her ability as a reporter? What, specifically, do you take issue with?

[puffnstuff]

Maybe the 'source' of the question would matter...if she hadnt Usain Bolted out of the room before it was asked

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/aut...reau-1.4415339


Since you are slandering her now, can you care to go in to detail on why you would diminish her ability as a reporter? What, specifically, do you take issue with?

Hahaha

You are worried about ‘slander’!! Go read your last 100 posts and let me know how many aren’t slander.

Take it easy, it wasn't a personal shot. Just a light hearted jab at the CBC.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Hahaha

You are worried about ‘slander’!! Go read your last 100 posts and let me know how many aren’t slander.

Take it easy, it wasn't a personal shot. Just a light hearted jab at the CBC.

My comments aren't slander, they are fact.

You just seem a lot less interested in the actual story of foreign agents interfering in our democratic process, and more interested in discrediting the sources and journalists, or media organizations. If you think the CBC is completely untrustworthy, start a thread about it and argue your point. Otherwise re-examine your bias, if you don't have the fortitude to stand behind your flippant accusations.

Maybe spend more time with facts, and less discrediting actual journalism. You know, the thing that helps keep democracy functioning? We kinda need that these days.

[Ozy_Flame]

This Indian interference in the CPC just won't go away. Geezuz there's alot of smoke in this growing scandal. Patrick Brown, MRG, Poilievre . . . . If they didn't do anything they should have made a commanding, unified statement of denial, and CSIS should be confirming it if it's not true.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

My comments aren't slander, they are fact.

You just seem a lot less interested in the actual story of foreign agents interfering in our democratic process, and more interested in discrediting the sources and journalists, or media organizations. If you think the CBC is completely untrustworthy, start a thread about it and argue your point. Otherwise re-examine your bias, if you don't have the fortitude to stand behind your flippant accusations.

Maybe spend more time with facts, and less discrediting actual journalism. You know, the thing that helps keep democracy functioning? We kinda need that these days.

Who #### in your Cornflakes this morning!!

Did I touch a nerve or something?

[Fuzz]

The way she bolts from the reporter sure doesn't scream innocent.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Who #### in your Cornflakes this morning!!

Did I touch a nerve or something?

People are just tired of you playing the same stupid game every time you engage in a topic.

It’s weird that you can’t seem to discuss things like a normal person.

[Fuzz]

He's basically a toilet. Takes a dump, spins it around, then flushes with joyous dismissal.

[Sylvanfan]

To be fair Canada was well late into the demographic collapse before it got aggressive with immigration as a means of trying to run on that treadmill. Just so happens we are not in a time where the number of boomers retiring every year is about to hit its peak. The jobs they're vacating are not really entry level or roles to be filled by junior level experience.

So if you view it as a we need to replace the retiree with a new worker...that will fail. Theres going to be a transition time. Given how late in the game Canada turned to immigration to try and save a demographic collapse you can say we suck balls at succession planning.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

How many visas expire in a typical year?

Yeah, it's funny that no one seems to actually talk about this. The 4.9M number is meaningless unless put in context.

I haven't seen a specific number published anywhere for a normal year. But we do know that there are only about 3M non-permanent residents in Canada (inclusive of all work and study permit holders as well as asylum claimants) total. So that 4.9M figure obviously includes millions of people who aren't even residents (i.e. people issued tourist visas at some point in the year).

And of course, it's merely the number of permits set to expire before the end of 2025. So of the number that isn't tourists, that would also presumably include a significant number of people who will renew their visas or transition from a study permit to a postgraduate work permit, and thus not leave the country at all.

But yeah, it'd be nice if people talking about this issue as an unprecedented situation for which no infrastructure exists could actually provide a baseline to compare this to. Surely they must know the normal rate of visa expirations to have such a strong opinion, right?

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Yeah, it's funny that no one seems to actually talk about this. The 4.9M number is meaningless unless put in context.

I haven't seen a specific number published anywhere for a normal year. But we do know that there are only about 3M non-permanent residents in Canada (inclusive of all work and study permit holders as well as asylum claimants) total. So that 4.9M figure obviously includes millions of people who aren't even residents (i.e. people issued tourist visas at some point in the year).

And of course, it's merely the number of permits set to expire before the end of 2025. So of the number that isn't tourists, that would also presumably include a significant number of people who will renew their visas or transition from a study permit to a postgraduate work permit, and thus not leave the country at all.

But yeah, it'd be nice if people talking about this issue as an unprecedented situation for which no infrastructure exists could actually provide a baseline to compare this to. Surely they must know the normal rate of visa expirations to have such a strong opinion, right?

Didn't they also just cancel the 10 year visa program? I would think that the effect would be thousands of visas that normally would be continuing for years under the 10 year program would all be considered expiring next year, which would greatly inflate that number.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

Trump's tariffs and demands are beyond reckless and dangerous and will hurt Canadians and Americans deeply economically. That said it could give the Liberals the political cover to start to clean up the massive mess they created .

I don't think people really appreciate the sheer staggering numbers of how badly the Liberals have fumbled the immigration file and have damaged the country as a result. Nearly 5 million temporary visas expire next year. That's 13 years worth annual PR acceptance levels at the new rate of 395,000 which is ~20-25% higher than the acceptance rate during the Harper years. There's no satisfactory infrastructure in place to process the sheer amount of potential asylum claims, extension requests, and to track and deport non-compliance. That's just managing the mess Canada created on it's own, nevermind the many that will swamp Canada's borders once Trump's up and running in the coming months. Massive action and dollars are needed to be spent to process claims and to track and deport non-compliance (and probably to replace post-secondary funding from international students).

I appreciate that demographically Canada is getting older and that fertility rates are down so there definitely is a need and a case for a good amount of immigration. However anyone trying to claim that bringing in over 10% of the permanent population post-covid was a smart idea doesn't pass a red face test. When you see an influx of that size happening so quickly it's hard to argue that housing cost impacts were/are minimal, that wages weren't/aren't being suppressed by abuses of the TFW program and by international students, and that a health system battered from covid was/is able to accommodate it.

Wow, this is racist.

signed - All Liberal Supporters the last few years.