American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[activeStick]

Of course Biden was going to pardon his son. It's his son! Every father would do the same in his position. It is funny though, thinking back to when there were discussions online about whether or not he'd pardon Hunter, reading so many so very confident statements saying of course he won't, because he's not like Trump.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Laughing at people who were wrong in saying he would never is warranted here.

Drilling the dems about their moral fiber from a scolding hot vat of hypocrisy is another thing.

[activeStick]

Politico's story on the pardon. With who Trump is nominating for his cabinet, not pardoning Hunter would have likely guaranteed he'd be in prison at some point.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/1...nixon-00192101

Joe Biden’s “full and unconditional pardon” of his son is deliberately vague. Donald Trump and his allies have long fixated on the president’s son, and Trump has repeatedly pledged to use his second term to#investigate and prosecute members of the Biden family. Conservative commentators have engaged in parlor-game speculation that Hunter Biden could be charged with bribery, illegal lobbying or other crimes stemming from his foreign business activities and drug addiction.

So rather than merely pardoning his son for the gun crimes for which he was convicted and the tax crimes for which he pleaded guilty, the president’s pardon covers all “offenses against the United States which he has committed or may have committed or taken part in” from Jan. 1 2014, through Dec. 1, 2024. That language mirrors the language in Ford’s pardon of Nixon, which did not merely cover the Watergate scandal but extended to “all offenses against the United States” that Nixon “has committed or may have committed” between Jan. 20, 1969, and Aug. 9, 1974 — the exact span of Nixon’s presidency.

[FlamesAddiction]

Well it's not like he has re-election to worry about.

I doubt the pardon would have came if Harris won, even if it meant his son saw some jail time. I think the fact Trump won and has explicitly said he is going to punish people who were against him, probably made it necessary to pardon his son because Trump would probably see to it he received a harsher punishment than he deserved.

Until Trump is punished for his crimes, I am not going to worry about Hunter Biden who basically has no power over anything.

[BigThief]

The pardon would've happened, just on Joe's last day not now

[Dion]

This is what Biden had to say about pardoning his son Hunter.

In a statement released on Sunday evening, Biden said, "Today, I signed a pardon for my son Hunter," alleging that the prosecution of his son was politically motivated and a "miscarriage of justice."

"The charges in his cases came about only after several of my political opponents in Congress instigated them to attack me and oppose my election," Biden said.

"No reasonable person who looks at the facts of Hunter’s cases can reach any other conclusion than Hunter was singled out only because he is my son."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/president...011052707.html

This will only fuel Trumps efforts to get his hush money trail dismissed.

[WCW Nitro]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Playing by the rules hasn't won the democrats anything in a while. Having the moral high ground just sounds good on paper, but doesn't mean a lick of ####ing difference at the polls, this last election proved that.

The right has been tilting the playing board for going on 10+ years now. Games played in the media, gerrymandering, literally not appointing a supreme court justice cuz "the timing wasn't right"... I could go on for hours.

The rulebook is out the window. The time for decorum and traditional values is over. The post truth era is in full swing. Tell me, what value is there in adhering to antiquated values any longer?

Nah, #### all that. Fight fire with fire I say. Maybe the right will change their tactics when they start to be used against them. I just wish there were more on the left with the sack to actually do it.

Disagree with this, you can't become what you hate. It's a dangerous road, what is next, also not conceding elections when lost? It may start off with evening the playing field, but can quickly become an excuse to gain power.

[Locke]

Really its Joe that should need to be pardoned for naming his Son 'Hunter.'

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

Disagree with this, you can't become what you hate. It's a dangerous road, what is next, also not conceding elections when lost? It may start off with evening the playing field, but can quickly become an excuse to gain power.

America took the dangerous road years ago. Trump supporters have zero moral grounds to speak against this. Awesome move, Biden. They moved the goal posts, Biden kicked a field goal.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Wild...looks like he can quickly negotiate peace on two fronts.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...itory-ukraine/

Just like Neville Chamberlain negotiated peace with the Munich Agreement!

[Ped]

"Look, look, that guy is doing something our guy already did and is going to do again What a liar! yes, our guy lies all the time, but this is different! He's terrible but our guy is great! Yay, our guy!"

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

America took the dangerous road years ago. Trump supporters have zero moral grounds to speak against this. Awesome move, Biden. They moved the goal posts, Biden kicked a field goal.

Now that Team Trump is about to go onto the field on offense, how likely are we to see that Trump, Trump children, cousins, ex wives, former lovers, floor guys and plumbers doing dirty deeds?

My bet is we will see a lot really interesting things too. Trump may just start pardoning people like Santa Claus, Oprah and Halloween All-Stars hand out goodies.

Biden scored a touchdown?? Team Trump goes for a TD+ 2.

Nothing good can be spun about what just happened at all. I don't fault him for doing it but there is really no moral high ground or equivalency. In a lot of countries the children of leaders get a long runway for crooked things, the idea is that in America everybody should be held to the same standards.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Biden pardoned his son for a trumped up gun charge. Trump has essentially pardoned himself from espionage charges by stacking the courts. Which one is really more outrageous?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Biden pardoned his son for a trumped up gun charge. Trump has essentially pardoned himself from espionage charges by stacking the courts. Which one is really more outrageous?

At this point? Just crack the beer, bring the Popcorn, sit back and watch the world burn.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Now that Team Trump is about to go onto the field on offense, how likely are we to see that Trump, Trump children, cousins, ex wives, former lovers, floor guys and plumbers doing dirty deeds?

My bet is we will see a lot really interesting things too. Trump may just start pardoning people like Santa Claus, Oprah and Halloween All-Stars hand out goodies.

Biden scored a touchdown?? Team Trump goes for a TD+ 2.

Nothing good can be spun about what just happened at all. I don't fault him for doing it but there is really no moral high ground or equivalency. In a lot of countries the children of leaders get a long runway for crooked things, the idea is that in America everybody should be held to the same standards.

Trump already went down that road. Trump has never been held to the standards expected, hell, he won't even sign the ethics pledge he brought in.


And because Trump seems to not have to worry about rules, norms etc, Biden would be leaving his son open to having the rest of his life ruined because laws and norms don't apply anymore. Accept it, America is deeply broken, and pretending the system will function as designed is no longer a reality. Being angry that Biden is the one who's broken it is just giving Trump and team what they want. Don't.

[Ozy_Flame]

Trump's pardons starting next month are going to be wild, whether Hunter Biden was pardoned or not. His track record of pardons is already notorious.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Trump already went down that road. Trump has never been held to the standards expected, hell, he won't even sign the ethics pledge he brought in.


And because Trump seems to not have to worry about rules, norms etc, Biden would be leaving his son open to having the rest of his life ruined because laws and norms don't apply anymore. Accept it, America is deeply broken, and pretending the system will function as designed is no longer a reality. Being angry that Biden is the one who's broken it is just giving Trump and team what they want. Don't.

No arguments from me about this and other things too. I am just saying that prior to the pardon there was a lot of this moral high ground coming from Biden supporters and the White House directly.

I actually don't fault Biden for pardoning his son, I really don't. Hell if I was Biden, I would pardon myself just for the hell of it.

I can see where this is going though. If and when Trump pardons his children for mass fraud, what is the other side going to say? Fraud is more serious than gun charges? Or will Republicans say that a gun charge is more serious than monetary value?

America is beyond messed up when you got crooked families across the board running things. Hillary Clinton and 35k emails for yoga and muffins?? Give me a break. Bush #1 & #2 with wars in the middle east for democracy or for more oil wealth for connected cronies. Biden and his dealings with who knows what. Trump with his billion ethics issues and ongoing concerns.

The famous case of Narcissus in Greek Mythology who fell in love with his own image cause he didn't recognize himself. In reality, all these leaders are actually PIGS and we all know that PIGS have the same noses.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by curves2000

No arguments from me about this and other things too. I am just saying that prior to the pardon there was a lot of this moral high ground coming from Biden supporters and the White House directly.

I actually don't fault Biden for pardoning his son, I really don't. Hell if I was Biden, I would pardon myself just for the hell of it.

I can see where this is going though. If and when Trump pardons his children for mass fraud, what is the other side going to say? Fraud is more serious than gun charges? Or will Republicans say that a gun charge is more serious than monetary value?

America is beyond messed up when you got crooked families across the board running things. Hillary Clinton and 35k emails for yoga and muffins?? Give me a break. Bush #1 & #2 with wars in the middle east for democracy or for more oil wealth for connected cronies. Biden and his dealings with who knows what. Trump with his billion ethics issues and ongoing concerns.

The famous case of Narcissus in Greek Mythology who fell in love with his own image cause he didn't recognize himself. In reality, all these leaders are actually PIGS and we all know that PIGS have the same noses.

If I were President and knew that Drumpf was coming and I had nothing to lose, I'd actually go out and commit a Felony just so I could pardon myself for it.

Yeah...you want to abuse the system? That can be a Multi-Player Game!

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by curves2000

No arguments from me about this and other things too. I am just saying that prior to the pardon there was a lot of this moral high ground coming from Biden supporters and the White House directly.

I actually don't fault Biden for pardoning his son, I really don't. Hell if I was Biden, I would pardon myself just for the hell of it.

I can see where this is going though. If and when Trump pardons his children for mass fraud, what is the other side going to say? Fraud is more serious than gun charges? Or will Republicans say that a gun charge is more serious than monetary value?

America is beyond messed up when you got crooked families across the board running things. Hillary Clinton and 35k emails for yoga and muffins?? Give me a break. Bush #1 & #2 with wars in the middle east for democracy or for more oil wealth for connected cronies. Biden and his dealings with who knows what. Trump with his billion ethics issues and ongoing concerns.

The famous case of Narcissus in Greek Mythology who fell in love with his own image cause he didn't recognize himself. In reality, all these leaders are actually PIGS and we all know that PIGS have the same noses.

Sure, but then Trumps nominations came out and it's clear the path he is on. It's way too risky leaving your future up to Trump. Situations change, so can plans. I don't think "adapting" is a failure of morals.

[Looch City]

While Biden is busy covering his own bases and benefiting his own family, Trump is out there negotiating peace with both Russia and Israel. And all that BEFORE he's in even in power.

Now you tell me who's the better President. Amazing stuff. Love to see it, if only there was a way for him to run a third time.