Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[SebC]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

Canada has been getting a free ride for far too long. The American taxpayer has been heavily subsidizing Canada's safety and security for decades. Time to pay up.

Canada was saving Europe from Hitler while America was dicking around with isolationism. I think we're good.

[PuckSlap]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

You didn't specify which Trump he is meeting with...he's not taken anymore!

Spoiler!

Chip off the old block. His mom and dad both had a thing for foreign interest


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[Harry Lime]

Finally, Trudeau being the weapon he was always meant to be.

[Slava]

All the people hating on Trudeau and basically cheering for Trump to devastate our economy just makes me hope that Trudeau is successful even more. Like I have zero intention of voting for the guy (his corruption and other issues make him a terrible choice), but him getting a deal to avoid the tariffs would be great on several levels.

[PuckSlap]

I can’t wait till he loses and I get to watch the supporters cry.

[TorqueDog]

Day 15 of “Canada Post and CUPW can lick my salty taint”. Lock them in a room and withhold food, water, and slowly deplete the room of oxygen until they either agree on something or someone passes out. Remove, revive, repeat until an agreement is signed.

Originally Posted by Slava

All the people hating on Trudeau and basically cheering for Trump to devastate our economy just makes me hope that Trudeau is successful even more. Like I have zero intention of voting for the guy (his corruption and other issues make him a terrible choice), but him getting a deal to avoid the tariffs would be great on several levels.

Yeah, these people are clearly morons of the highest order. Disliking Trudeau is fine — and damn, does he gives people no shortage of reasons to do so — but it takes a special kind of stupid to cheer against his success in being a good leader of the country given his success in that role is directly correlated to the success of the nation.

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

I can’t wait till he loses and I get to watch the supporters cry.

Yeah, sure. Meanwhile, everyone has been watching the "F-ck Trudeau" types cry and sh-t their pants like a bunch of infants over every single thing he's done for the past 10 years, so I suppose there's certainly a lot of catching up to do. Seriously, bumper and window stickers, banners and flags mounted on / in homes and garages. These people make politics their personality, or at least use politics to supplant a personality they don't otherwise possess. Get a hobby.

[Sylvanfan]

Yeah if Canada can't sell to the U.S. market competitively we are more doomed than we already are. I think the US becoming more isolationist is coming regardless of which political parties have office on either side. I expect Trump will just accelerate it...and it's a pretty one way relationship.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

Canada has been getting a free ride for far too long. The American taxpayer has been heavily subsidizing Canada's safety and security for decades. Time to pay up.

Assuming you're Canadian, put up or shut up. Donate your next paycheque to America for this abomination of a deal.

[blender]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

Canada has been getting a free ride for far too long. The American taxpayer has been heavily subsidizing Canada's safety and security for decades. Time to pay up.

#### off with this ####.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

Canada has been getting a free ride for far too long. The American taxpayer has been heavily subsidizing Canada's safety and security for decades. Time to pay up.

Free ride ends January 1st.

Every Canadian must now enroll in US military to pay their debts. Starts at the age of 18 and applies to male, female, or otherwise.

Or wait no, no otherwise.

And wait, no females either.

[Thunderball]

It is entirely rational and consistent to believe that it is a ####ty and shortsighted move for Trump to toss sweeping tariffs at Canada and want our government to solve this problem before it hurts both countries, while at the same time admitting that poor, shortsighted, and ideologically motivated Canadian government policy (particularly in energy, defense, immigration, and drugs) has lead to the US reasonably accusing us of being bad neighbours.

It's not pro-Trump to admit Canada has problems (many of our own making and many an unavoidable reality between the pandemic and demographic issues), and its not overtly jingoistic to say that its an ####### move to pick on Canada.

[activeStick]

Trudeau goes to try and talk Trump down on his threats of tariffs: "OMG, Trudeau is so weak! Kowtowing to another country and kissing the ring. Makes Canada look weak!"

Trudeau doesn't make any effort to speak to the President-Elect: "OMG, Trudeau is too busy taking his jet to BC to go surfing and spread more woke policies! We need someone who's willing to fight for Canada!"

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

It is entirely rational and consistent to believe that it is a ####ty and shortsighted move for Trump to toss sweeping tariffs at Canada and want our government to solve this problem before it hurts both countries, while at the same time admitting that poor, shortsighted, and ideologically motivated Canadian government policy (particularly in energy, defense, immigration, and drugs) has lead to the US reasonably accusing us of being bad neighbours.

It's not pro-Trump to admit Canada has problems (many of our own making and many an unavoidable reality between the pandemic and demographic issues), and its not overtly jingoistic to say that its an ####### move to pick on Canada.

The US didn't, a ####weasel did. He's not even in power yet. And no, it's not reasonable to lump us in with Mexico describing the problems, because as has been shown many times, the issues at the Canadian border are pretty mild and even less an issue than the guns coming the other way, but you don't see us threatening tariffs to void a trade deal the same ####weasel negotiated himself.



What is pro-Trump is to validate the bull#### because people don't like Trudeau. Like, how dumb to people have to be at this point to believe you are going to just give Trump what he demands, and that's the best path? Do people pay that little attention?

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

The US didn't, a ####weasel did. He's not even in power yet. And no, it's not reasonable to lump us in with Mexico describing the problems, because as has been shown many times, the issues at the Canadian border are pretty mild and even less an issue than the guns coming the other way, but you don't see us threatening tariffs to void a trade deal the same ####weasel negotiated himself.



What is pro-Trump is to validate the bull#### because people don't like Trudeau. Like, how dumb to people have to be at this point to believe you are going to just give Trump what he demands, and that's the best path? Do people pay that little attention?

I agree with some of your points. Especially with looping Canada in with Mexico. That's utter garbage. Even if we're slipping, they are night and day worse. We should be demanding an apology for being grouped in with them and China. Behind closed doors we should be doing what many provinces have suggested, and work with the US to deal with Mexico (which may be exactly what JT and co. are up to). I also think Trump is being an #######, I'm with you there.

However, Canada is in a pretty weak position relative to the US on sheer size, but also how we have acted and governed ourselves in recent years, and we shouldn't ignore that because Trump is being an #######.

Fighting back hurts us, but so does rolling over. Sadly, a predator like Trump knows it. I suspect he's going to somewhat let off after scoring a few wins, especially because energy tariffs will hurt the US too (especially in a La Nina winter), and the solution is probably a combination of giving in and making new demands. I simply think its fair to point out that this is partially our fault for being so vulnerable (and frankly, some of these failures are prior to the current Libs, so its not merely a partisan issue).

We also threw the doors open on immigration to attempt to salve the demographic/real estate nightmare we have and we have some significant issues arising from that which do affect the US. We also have growing issues with our border, the numbers show that, and its easy political points for Trump to jump on that (whether I agree or not is immaterial... for the record, I think he's being a bully and a brat). However, just because Mexico is worse doesn't mean we aren't a problem too. Difference is, we're historically a good neighbour and so its notable when we're slipping.

Should Canada raised issues about guns and drugs during the Biden administration, maybe. But we didn't (and maybe for good reason because tariffs hurt us more).

Should the government sought retribution (or tariffs) when Biden cancelled Keystone and crushed Alberta's investment? Again, maybe, regardless where you may stand on KXL, right or wrong, "Team Canada" isn't it? We didn't... I'm sure in part because some cost-benefit analysis with some politics for good measure.

We are also in a position of weakness because we have had bad policies and our economy is vulnerable. That's on Canada to some extent (though I don't see PP fixing many of the systemic issues either).

My point is its simply not a black and white issue. There's lots of blame to go around. I think Trudeau and his current cabinet are amongst the worst ever (and there have been some dumb moves by Harper, Martin, Chrétien. etc.) and their policies have increased our vulnerability somewhat, but its so much more nuanced than "Ha Ha Screw Trudeau" here (though you're right some people may just be enjoying another issue under his watch, and that's wrong, IMO).

Its a complex issue and there is a lot at stake. But we have to acknowledge that things are not going great here at the moment either, and eventually, others notice that.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Looch City

Free ride ends January 1st.

Every Canadian must now enroll in US military to pay their debts. Starts at the age of 18 and applies to male, female, or otherwise.

Or wait no, no otherwise.

And wait, no females either.

I don’t think it should start at 18, every single Canadian male should be forced to join. See how long these tough talking conservative males keep up their manly talk in that scenario.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

I can’t wait till he loses and I get to watch the supporters cry.

Like how you have been crying yourself to sleep the past 12 years? hahaha

[MegaErtz]

Canadian border patrol officer trainees don't even get paid during their eighteen week training period. That tells me all you need to know about how seriously Canada takes border security. I'm sure we're only getting the best and brightest by offering free room and board.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

Canadian border patrol officer trainees don't even get paid during their eighteen week training period. That tells me all you need to know about how seriously Canada takes border security. I'm sure we're only getting the best and brightest by offering free room and board.

Not sure if you’re serious or not. What do Canadian border patrol officers have to do with admitting people into the US?

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

I can’t wait till he loses and I get to watch the supporters cry.

Conservatives: Who the F### Cares as long as the Libtards Cry.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Yamer

Conservatives: Who the F### Cares as long as the Libtards Cry.

But they’re the pathetic ones.