2024-25 Huberdeau - new and improved?

[Strange Brew]

Most forwards on the team have better results without him though. Bringing linemates into the discussion just smells like nothing more than deflection.

[1qqaaz]

Jonathan Huberdeau

2022-2023 57 point pace
2023-2024 53 point pace
2024-2025 43 point pace

Huberdeau has been pretty consistent, showing the typical pace of regression for someone in his 30s.
I do think he'll finish the year with more than 43 points, health permitted. He seems to finish off stronger than he starts.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Jonathan Huberdeau

2022-2023 57 point pace
2023-2024 53 point pace
2024-2025 43 point pace

Huberdeau has been pretty consistent, showing the typical pace of regression for someone in his 30s.
I do think he'll finish the year with more than 43 points, health permitted. He seems to finish off stronger than he starts.

You have to include his last season in Florida to show the atypical regression. Everyone knew the contract was going to age poorly but I thought he’d be a PPG and regress from there.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Jonathan Huberdeau

2022-2023 57 point pace
2023-2024 53 point pace
2024-2025 43 point pace

Huberdeau has been pretty consistent, showing the typical pace of regression for someone in his 30s.
I do think he'll finish the year with more than 43 points, health permitted. He seems to finish off stronger than he starts.

I don't know. His limited production thus far is mainly from goals, and that is due to a 20% shooting percentage which will surely regress the rest of the year.

Still would only take a good game or two to improve his current points pace.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Most forwards on the team have better results without him though. Bringing linemates into the discussion just smells like nothing more than deflection.

I don't see how that's possible when he leads the team in in points among forwards.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don't see how that's possible when he leads the team in in points among forwards.

Start with looking at the numbers behind post #152. Maybe you're just being disingenuous here, I don't know. You bring up the numbers in Bingo's game summaries, but you don't actually want to look at them I guess.

In any case, he has 7 points in his last 21 games with the most generous opportunities on the team.

As others have said, his play speaks for itself. Probably not much else to be said.

[GioforPM]

It still makes no sense that the player leading forwards in points is a drag on the other forwards, whatever the low point totals are. Surely they are doing worse production-wise with other linemates who have fewer points.

My sole point is that he’s not being caved in. But what forwards are playing better aside form Zary, and why do they have fewer points?

[Flamesfan05]

Time to change the title of this thread. It’s misleading.
He is old and deteriorating, approaching negative contribution at wasp speed

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

So Huberdeau isn't new and improved?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

So Huberdeau isn't new and improved?

He certainly isn't young nor fresh. 'Old and Broken' might be more accurate.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Jonathan Huberdeau

2022-2023 57 point pace
2023-2024 53 point pace
2024-2025 43 point pace

Huberdeau has been pretty consistent, showing the typical pace of regression for someone in his 30s.
I do think he'll finish the year with more than 43 points, health permitted. He seems to finish off stronger than he starts.

He finished stronger last year. He limped to the finish line the year before.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Time to change the title of this thread. It’s misleading.
He is old and deteriorating, approaching negative contribution at wasp speed

The odd thing is, when the thread started, he was still the same old Hubby, on pace for 50 odd points.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

He finished stronger last year. He limped to the finish line the year before.

I think he was finishing stronger last season but not in the very last few weeks after the tank had fully set in and the whole team stopped trying (remember they won like 2 of 10 or something).

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think he was finishing stronger last season but not in the very last few weeks after the tank had fully set in and the whole team stopped trying (remember they won like 2 of 10 or something).

I was really looking at the first half vs. second half.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It still makes no sense that the player leading forwards in points is a drag on the other forwards, whatever the low point totals are. Surely they are doing worse production-wise with other linemates who have fewer points.

My sole point is that he’s not being caved in. But what forwards are playing better aside form Zary, and why do they have fewer points?

This is exactly what xgoals for and against attempts to measure. Relative performance amongst the forwards using larger sample sizes than simple points.

If you want to focus purely on points (which I wouldn't) he is 9th among forwards in the team's last 20 games. And that is with the most generous opportunities on the team by far.

Is the team getting "caved in" when he is on the ice? Those aren't my words, but the results speak for themselves. Which forwards are playing better than Huberdeau? Basically all of them, those with less production are filling a role that he can't.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

This is exactly what xgoals for and against attempts to measure. Relative performance amongst the forwards using larger sample sizes than simple points.

If you want to focus purely on points (which I wouldn't) he is 9th among forwards in the team's last 20 games. And that is with the most generous opportunities on the team by far.

Is the team getting "caved in" when he is on the ice? Those aren't my words, but the results speak for themselves. Which forwards are playing better than Huberdeau? Basically all of them, those with less production are filling a role that he can't.

He's right around 50% in possession. That's not "caved in". There's absolutely too much hyperbole around this player.

EDIT: Moneypuck has him 6th in xgf (5th among forwards) so I'm not sure you are accurate. And his % iss 55.7. He's 4th on xgf differential at 4.8.

https://moneypuck.com/stats.htm

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I was really looking at the first half vs. second half.

Fair enough. I just remember the whole team falling off a cliff starting at the TDL (and rightfully so).

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

He's right around 50% in possession. That's not "caved in". There's absolutely too much hyperbole around this player.

That is one person who used those two words once, not really relevant to our discussion.

Are you referring to his corsi% of 48%? That is the lowest of his career, and one of the lowest on the team. That stat doesn't incorporate either the quality of chances or the prime starts that he receives so I don't really like it.

It's a forward group that is really struggling and unfortunately he is among the worst.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

He's right around 50% in possession. That's not "caved in". There's absolutely too much hyperbole around this player.

EDIT: Moneypuck has him 6th in xgf (5th among forwards) so I'm not sure you are accurate. And his % iss 55.7. He's 4th on xgf differential at 4.8.

https://moneypuck.com/stats.htm

I missed your edit.

This is where you need to look for xgoals for and against.

https://moneypuck.com/t.htm?t=CGY

7th in expected goals for
11th in expected goals for percentage
11th in expected goal differential

All amongst forwards.

But maybe we should talk about Kadri more because he has been downright horrible. Difference is no one really defending him I guess.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I missed your edit.

This is where you need to look for xgoals for and against.

https://moneypuck.com/t.htm?t=CGY

7th in expected goals for
11th in expected goals for percentage
11th in expected goal differential

All amongst forwards.

But maybe we should talk about Kadri more because he has been downright horrible. Difference is no one really defending him I guess.

GioforPM is reacting to each post like he personally endorsed Huberdeau to be Treliving's sole target in trading for him and giving him the $84M contract.

I mean, he has 20 blocked shots this year!!!!

You gotta do better than that to justify 84M dollars.