2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[stemit14]

I guess the question is if the flames end up trading Andersson this season and the key piece coming back in the deal is a young centreman… what’s the best centre prospect/young NHL centre they could expect to return for 1.5 years of Andersson?

I’ll list a few that I think are in the realistic realm of quality that the flames could or should target for Andersson (in no particular order below). Keep in mind… I don’t think any of these players are projecting to be star #1 centres in the league. Teams would never trade a player trending to develop into that. The only way to get one of those is to either draft it and develop it or have a player from a list like the one below develop beyond current expectations. I think the best you can hope for is a prospect that projects to be a 2nd line centre in the NHL - which is a great return for Andersson.

Nate Danielson (Detroit)
Marco Kasper (Detroit)
Mavrik Bourque (Dallas)
Konsta Helenius (Buffalo)
Calum Ritchie (Colorado)
Brayden Yager (Winnipeg)
Brad Lambert (Winnipeg)
Jiri Kulich (Buffalo)

I’m sure there are others that I’m not thinking of. I’m not including top young center prospects/players from teams that are in the middle or start of a rebuild because I don’t think those teams would be in the market to trade young talent like that. It’s teams that are in “win now” mode… either because they are contenders for a cup (Colorado, Dallas and Winnipeg) or are desperate to start making the playoffs (Detroit and Buffalo). It might be a stretch to include players that are already contributing in the NHL such as Bourque and Kasper because playoff teams really hate to give up young roster players when they are in the middle of the season

Danielson, Helenius, Ritchie and Yager are probably my favourites from that list but I would happy to get pretty much any of them if they are still projecting to be middle six centres in the NHL - some of these players might be projected as wingers at this point.

[FranksandBean]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I guess the question is if the flames end up trading Andersson this season and the key piece coming back in the deal is a young centreman… what’s the best centre prospect/young NHL centre they could expect to return for 1.5 years of Andersson?

I’ll list a few that I think are in the realistic realm of quality that the flames could or should target for Andersson (in no particular order below). Keep in mind… I don’t think any of these players are projecting to be star #1 centres in the league. Teams would never trade a player trending to develop into that. The only way to get one of those is to either draft it and develop it or have a player from a list like the one below develop beyond current expectations. I think the best you can hope for is a prospect that projects to be a 2nd line centre in the NHL - which is a great return for Andersson.

Nate Danielson (Detroit)
Marco Kasper (Detroit)
Mavrik Bourque (Dallas)
Konsta Helenius (Buffalo)
Calum Ritchie (Colorado)
Brayden Yager (Winnipeg)
Brad Lambert (Winnipeg)
Jiri Kulich (Buffalo)

I’m sure there are others that I’m not thinking of. I’m not including top young center prospects/players from teams that are in the middle or start of a rebuild because I don’t think those teams would be in the market to trade young talent like that. It’s teams that are in “win now” mode… either because they are contenders for a cup (Colorado, Dallas and Winnipeg) or are desperate to start making the playoffs (Detroit and Buffalo). It might be a stretch to include players that are already contributing in the NHL such as Bourque and Kasper because playoff teams really hate to give up young roster players when they are in the middle of the season

Danielson, Helenius, Ritchie and Yager are probably my favourites from that list but I would happy to get pretty much any of them if they are still projecting to be middle six centres in the NHL - some of these players might be projected as wingers at this point.

My reading of the situation is they are looking to add a more established guy, think along the lines of Sharangovich or Bahl/Miromanov, and the ones I see talked about are;

Dach (Montreal)
Cozens (Buffalo)
Norris (Ottawa)

If we were to go after these I think the deal likely includes Kadri if we trade with Buffalo or Ottawa as they are trying to make the playoffs or someone like Pospisil if we go after Dach (he looks more like a Backlund replacement than a 2C). I believe if we went this way (Kadri & Andersson signing off and all) we would want a top 4D coming back as well, what does the board think would need to be added to even out the below trades (looking for value not it wont happen because...).

Montreal;
Dach, Matheson &

Calgary;
Andersson, Pospisil &

Buffalo;
Cozens, Byram/Samuelsson &

Calgary;
Kadri, Andersson &

Ottawa;
Norris, Chabot &

Calgary;
Kadri, Andersson &

[Andrew]

I say trade with Seattle. Not necessarily big names but guys performing as
2nd 3rd rounders Winteron Wright rekoph sale (i wanted him over honzek good ahl start) firkus
Catton goyette miettenen


Some depth. Coachella great ahl team.

[TOfan]

Potentially a controversial thought.

About a week ago got into some discussion about the Oilers adding a G. A lot of the comments coming back were, how are the Oilers going to do that? They have no space. Discussion was around John Gibson, specifically.

Mantha’s out and during the summer there was rumoured interest from the Flames in Viktor Arvidsson. He’s got one more year after this at $4M per with no trade protection. In other words, easily doable from a Flames perspective and a potential flipable asset.

Arvidsson and a second (2025 Blues) for future considerations (nothing) sound interesting?

Bit of a conundrum given the Flames would, essentially, be helping the Oilers out. On the other hand, if the Flames are looking to weaponize cap space, this could be one way to do it.

Also, before people get up in arms about taking spots away from the kids, as mentioned, Arvidsson could be flipped. That could be right away. The Flames could move him before the deadline and and potentially grab themselves another 2nd or 3rd round pick.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Potentially a controversial thought.

About a week ago got into some discussion about the Oilers adding a G. A lot of the comments coming back were, how are the Oilers going to do that? They have no space. Discussion was around John Gibson, specifically.

Mantha’s out and during the summer there was rumoured interest from the Flames in Viktor Arvidsson. He’s got one more year after this at $4M per with no trade protection. In other words, easily doable from a Flames perspective and a potential flipable asset.

Arvidsson and a second (2025 Blues) for future considerations (nothing) sound interesting?

Bit of a conundrum given the Flames would, essentially, be helping the Oilers out. On the other hand, if the Flames are looking to weaponize cap space, this could be one way to do it.

Also, before people get up in arms about taking spots away from the kids, as mentioned, Arvidsson could be flipped. That could be right away. The Flames could move him before the deadline and and potentially grab themselves another 2nd or 3rd round pick.

If Arvidsson could be flipped right away, why wouldn't the Oilers just do that rather than giving up the player and draft capital?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Cheese

If Arvidsson could be flipped right away, why wouldn't the Oilers just do that rather than giving up the player and draft capital?

Good point. Still drinking my first coffee…..

Perhaps no other team wants Arvidsson at this point? Maybe the second half of that isn’t probable and the Flames hang on to him for a bit.

You’re right though, unlikely to occur in any event.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by FranksandBean

My reading of the situation is they are looking to add a more established guy, think along the lines of Sharangovich or Bahl/Miromanov, and the ones I see talked about are;

Dach (Montreal)
Cozens (Buffalo)
Norris (Ottawa)

If we were to go after these I think the deal likely includes Kadri if we trade with Buffalo or Ottawa as they are trying to make the playoffs or someone like Pospisil if we go after Dach (he looks more like a Backlund replacement than a 2C). I believe if we went this way (Kadri & Andersson signing off and all) we would want a top 4D coming back as well, what does the board think would need to be added to even out the below trades (looking for value not it wont happen because...).

Montreal;
Dach, Matheson &

Calgary;
Andersson, Pospisil &

Buffalo;
Cozens, Byram/Samuelsson &

Calgary;
Kadri, Andersson &

Ottawa;
Norris, Chabot &

Calgary;
Kadri, Andersson &

That Buffalo proposal would be a huge risk for them. To give up two young/controlled players of that caliber for Andersson and Kadri, I don’t know. I wouldn’t do it if I were Buffalo.

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by TOfan

That Buffalo proposal would be a huge risk for them. To give up two young/controlled players of that caliber for Andersson and Kadri, I don’t know. I wouldn’t do it if I were Buffalo.

You're right, but from Buffalo's perspective, they need to stop having potential and start making the playoffs.

Today:
Kadri > Cozens and can bring secondary scoring to their second line plus an edge to their game that they lack.

Anderson > Byram plus he balances out their pairings.

This deal would have the potential to be a win-win, especially if Anderson is extended. BUF makes the playoffs, CGY plans to peak in a couple years and gets the young centreman they are seeking.

[Toonage]

Hey Naz, it’s Connie. Yeah I’d like to talk to you about waiving your no trade for Buff…

* click *

Hello? Hellllllo?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

You're right, but from Buffalo's perspective, they need to stop having potential and start making the playoffs.

Today:
Kadri > Cozens and can bring secondary scoring to their second line plus an edge to their game that they lack.

Anderson > Byram plus he balances out their pairings.

This deal would have the potential to be a win-win, especially if Anderson is extended. BUF makes the playoffs, CGY plans to peak in a couple years and gets the young centreman they are seeking.

It would definitely be a bold move from Buffalo’s perspective. For them to make the move you would want to be sure that A) Kadri would want to go there and B) Andersson willing to sign an extension.

Given Buffalos current and recent string of success, or lack there of, both could be hard sells.

[gvitaly]

The Flames definitely need to figure out a succession plan at centre. They have another 2-3 years with Backlund and Kadri as quality top 9 centres.

I think that the Flames should try their own centres for a bit of a longer time period before chasing someone outside the organization.

Zary looks just fine at C, and he's getting more and more comfortable in that role.

IMO Kerins deserves a call-up. 13G, 19P, and +10 in 19GP. That's an NHLe of 40, which makes me curious to see what we have in the guy.

Pospisil though better as a winger, was pretty good at C to start, but then he got in the coach's doghouse by taking needless penalties. Now he just looks like a player that's struggling with his confidence, and isn't sure what his role is.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

The Flames definitely need to figure out a succession plan at centre. They have another 2-3 years with Backlund and Kadri as quality top 9 centres.

I think that the Flames should try their own centres for a bit of a longer time period before chasing someone outside the organization.

Zary looks just fine at C, and he's getting more and more comfortable in that role.

IMO Kerins deserves a call-up. 13G, 19P, and +10 in 19GP. That's an NHLe of 40, which makes me curious to see what we have in the guy.

Pospisil though better as a winger, was pretty good at C to start, but then he got in the coach's doghouse by taking needless penalties. Now he just looks like a player that's struggling with his confidence, and isn't sure what his role is.

I think Kerins is one of those guys that is just going to take time to get to his potential. Since his draft year he has been progressing well, I think it is important he has some sustained success in the AHL before getting a look in the Flames lineup. I think he could be a guy you bring up for a few games at the very end of the season so he can get a feel for the speed of the game. No rush for him.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by FranksandBean

My reading of the situation is they are looking to add a more established guy, think along the lines of Sharangovich or Bahl/Miromanov, and the ones I see talked about are;

Dach (Montreal)
Cozens (Buffalo)
Norris (Ottawa)

If we were to go after these I think the deal likely includes Kadri if we trade with Buffalo or Ottawa as they are trying to make the playoffs or someone like Pospisil if we go after Dach (he looks more like a Backlund replacement than a 2C). I believe if we went this way (Kadri & Andersson signing off and all) we would want a top 4D coming back as well, what does the board think would need to be added to even out the below trades (looking for value not it wont happen because...).

Montreal;
Dach, Matheson &

Calgary;
Andersson, Pospisil &

Buffalo;
Cozens, Byram/Samuelsson &

Calgary;
Kadri, Andersson &

Ottawa;
Norris, Chabot &

Calgary;
Kadri, Andersson &

I could see these types of players targeted as well instead of the list I made. Lends more to the retool instead of rebuild as you are getting established NHLers. I think I like the Cozens + Byram acquisition the most of the ones you listed but, including my list of prospects, my preference for young centre targets would be:

Danielson or Helenius > Ritchie, Yager or Kasper > Cozens or Bourque > Kulich > Lambert > Dach > Norris

To be clear, I like qualities of every player above. Some preference with players is based on their age/potential. Some I’m concerned about their contract (Norris and Cozens). I tend to prefer getting a high level prospect over a young centre who’s regressed from their rookie seasons (Dach, Norris and Cozens). That might be a mistake on my part though - a case of me wanting the mystery box instead of just getting the boat.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I could see these types of players targeted as well instead of the list I made. Lends more to the retool instead of rebuild as you are getting established NHLers. I think I like the Cozens + Byram acquisition the most of the ones you listed but, including my list of prospects, my preference for young centre targets would be:

Danielson or Helenius > Ritchie, Yager or Kasper > Cozens or Bourque > Kulich > Lambert > Dach > Norris

To be clear, I like somethings about every player above. Some preference with players is based on their age/potential. Some I’m concerned about their contract (Norris and Cozens). I tend to prefer getting a high level prospect over a young centre who’s regressed from their rookie seasons (Dach, Norris and Cozens). That might be a mistake on my part though - a case of me wanting the mystery box instead of just getting the boat.

That adder from Ottawa to take Norris and Chabot is massive. I am not high on Norris, I think his ceiling is a 60 pt player. Nothing wrong with that, but I feel he is highly overvalued for what he is. There would have to be an additional 1st or high end prospect included from Ottawa.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

That adder from Ottawa to take Norris and Chabot is massive. I am not high on Norris, I think his ceiling is a 60 pt player. Nothing wrong with that, but I feel he is highly overvalued for what he is. There would have to be an additional 1st or high end prospect included from Ottawa.

Norris is gamble because no one knows how he is going to return from his injuries. He is producing right now, but is he made of glass, or will the wear and tear slow him down later in the season?

He potentially is an 8M/year player, but with the injury concern he has negative value versus his cap hit.

[Royle9]

Small update:

Flames have struck up conversations with NYR again, going back to the summer discussions.
Nothing close, but Kakko has been on their radar before, and I'm told the Flames still have interest.

Caveat here is price, in the summer it was still too high but could be more manageable now.

[RedMan12]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Hey Naz, it’s Connie. Yeah I’d like to talk to you about waiving your no trade for Buff…

* click *

Hello? Hellllllo?

Warrener talked Regehr into it, so you never know.

[Andrew]

Top 6 center acquisition cost

Cory stillman top 6 pick for conroy (3rd line center upside at time)
Gauthier and saprykkn) (top 4 d and top 9 forwarf on winnkng both firsts) for langkow (top 6 center noy 1st line)
Lombardi (zary like start top 6 center) and ptust (posipsil like) and 1st for jokinen
Trade rumor tkachuk needed for eichel

I think we need to build more depth and have existing players build value to afford these trades.

When eichel comes available next... somebody do we have a tuch anf Krebs to trade... depth.

It will cost two or more of honzek coronato anderson basha gridin etc to acquire top 6 center.

Danielson beniers Johnson even cozens I think will be two of above min if available. Reality

Conroy knows value of center. Traded lindholm for haul. Will he take a risk? Unless u pick a needle haystack price is high for what we want. Nhl gms will ask for parekh etc. Do we have depth? Not now imo
Going to cost us

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Small update:

Flames have struck up conversations with NYR again, going back to the summer discussions.
Nothing close, but Kakko has been on their radar before, and I'm told the Flames still have interest.

Caveat here is price, in the summer it was still too high but could be more manageable now.

Kuzmenko, you (and likely some other stuff) are a New York Ranger!

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by RedMan12

Warrener talked Regehr into it, so you never know.

Warrener isn’t buddies with Kadri.

Kadri moved his family (extended family) to Calgary. He’s staying. And if he did leave it sure as #### isn’t for Buffalo.