2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

One mentor on the ice + a head coach who is known for developing defensemen should be more than enough to instill culture or whatever.

To me it's less about mentorship and more about on-ice protection.

You don't want to have to throw the Parekh, Morin, Poirier, and Brzstewicz's of the world right into top pair or maybe even top 4 minutes.

Same with the Forwards.

I look at Bedard in Chicago and I think his performance and confidence has been hurt by having to shoulder all the tough minutes and matchups from his first shift in the NHL.

On the ice protection is the bigger reason you keep some vets around, more so than off ice mentorship or culture reasons.

There is a reason guys like Tkachuk, Zary, Coronato all took steps and speak to how great Backlund was to their development. And I'm sure guys like Bahl / Miromanov are similar benefiting from playign shift after shift with guys lke Andersson and Weegar.

Just throwing the young guys to the wolves without having proper slotting and protection for somebody else to take the tough matchups is how you stunt them early on.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

To me it's less about mentorship and more about on-ice protection.

You don't want to have to throw the Parekh, Morin, Poirier, and Brzstewicz's of the world right into top pair or maybe even top 4 minutes.

Same with the Forwards.

I look at Bedard in Chicago and I think his performance and confidence has been hurt by having to shoulder all the tough minutes and matchups from his first shift in the NHL.

On the ice protection is the bigger reason you keep some vets around, more so than off ice mentorship or culture reasons.

There is a reason guys like Tkachuk, Zary, Coronato all took steps and speak to how great Backlund was to their development. And I'm sure guys like Bahl / Miromanov are similar benefiting from playign shift after shift with guys lke Andersson and Weegar.

Just throwing the young guys to the wolves without having proper slotting and protection for somebody else to take the tough matchups is how you stunt them early on.

Yeah, I used mentor, which I actually hate as a term because everyone throws that word around. I don't think there's a lot of vets who actively teach kids techniques or what not. But just by being a good pro around the room, they "mentor". And if you have no guys who know the game well, these kids get into a losing culture. How close were the Oilers when they ran with kids versus bringing in guys who'd been around?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

One mentor on the ice + a head coach who is known for developing defensemen should be more than enough to instill culture or whatever.

Which is why Nurse developed so well with McLellan/Tippett and Kris Russell.

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by Royle9

teams looking to dump vets for our picks but Craig's not biting on those.

Wtf? Why on earth would GMs waste precious cell phone minutes on calls like these?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by DionTheDman

Wtf? Why on earth would GMs waste precious cell phone minutes on calls like these?

Still think Treliving is in charge

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by DionTheDman

Wtf? Why on earth would GMs waste precious cell phone minutes on calls like these?

You don't get what you don't ask for?

As a Flames fan, I have psychological baggage from two of the biggest 'should be a waste of a phone call but let's ask anyways' trades in NHL history, so I get triggered hearing about GMs testing our management teams like that.

[Bingo]

Nobody (not me at least) is saying you can't or shouldn't trade Anderson.

But it's not a 30 year trend blah blah blah to hold on to him until their playoff chances are much more clear than they are on November 27th.

They have time to make that call.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I don't worry about Conroy making a bad move from now until the trade deadline. Outside of Okhotyuk, there hasn't been a move where I thought it was bad.


Treliving takes a lot of heat on these forums (and in my opinion, most of it is deserved). However, he made some really good moves too, and one of these was the deadline deals (or close to the deadline) in 2015, where he moved both Baertschi and Glencross for futures only, even though the Flames were in a playoff spot. He could have easily trotted out the whole "Own rentals" (at least for Glencross) who was a long-term piece of this team. He took heat for trading Baertschi at the time, but that trade turned out to be an absolute home run.


I think Conroy will approach this deadline similarly. I doubt he will use the term: "Own rentals" unless he doesn't get an offer on a player. The upcoming UFAs are: Vladar, Kuzmenko, Mantha, Barrie, Hanley, Rooney and Kirkland. I can see one of Rooney and Kirkland re-signed just to fill for the 4th line C position, but probably not both. I think if there are offers on these players (aside from Mantha with his injury, unfortunately) by the deadline, they will be traded.



Rasmus may or may not be part of that this season. No rush on him, even though I do agree that in theory, he holds the most value now with having an extra year on a team-friendly deal. Either way, Rasmus wants to re-sign here or not, or the price that Conroy sets will be met eventually. If Rasmus does want to move, then as soon as that price is met he will move I bet.



I think Conroy has a plan for the next few seasons, and regardless of how the Flames do in the standings, he will follow the plan set-forth.



Realistically speaking, does the plan change because the Flames make the playoffs this year? Does it show that they are further ahead than management thought? That happened after 2015, not during 2015, but I doubt that whatever happens in terms of the standing and playoffs this year, that Conroy will be changing his plans. The Flames still have huge gaping holes in their lineup long-term. I am sure that regardless of how the Flames actually perform this year, it won't alter the direction that this team takes.


I also think that you can always sign players to help mentor and insulate the youth. Don't pass up good opportunities to accumulate valuable assets, but definitely don't expose young players by not insulating them. Sign good vets every off-season after you trade them away, and I am sure Conroy will be doing that if Rasmus and/or Kadri get traded.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Nobody (not me at least) is saying you can't or shouldn't trade Anderson.

But it's not a 30 year trend blah blah blah to hold on to him until their playoff chances are much more clear than they are on November 27th.

They have time to make that call.

This. I think Conroy will hear calls for Anderson (or pretty much any player) but the cost would probably be higher now than if the team was in the basement of the standings and it was clear Andersson wanted to leave. Right now, he’s the top point producer on the team and one of its clear leaders. He would also likely be top four in Norris voting right now (though definitely not in the top two which would be Makar and Hughes). The team is playing well and he’s a big part of it. They are in a playoff spot.

He has >1.5 seasons left on his deal so there is plenty of time for him to be traded later and still get good value. Right now, it would likely take a real overpayment for a team to convince Conroy to trade Andersson and disrupt this team. I said this in a previous post… I’m talking about a team offering a Tij Iginla or a Berkly Catton level of prospect to get him to trade Andersson at the moment. Of course, that is an overpayment and those teams (or any other team) would not likely make that trade right now. So that’s why any trade for him right now is unlikely to happen. Things can change even one month from now but I would think that should be the position Conroy has at the moment. Not that Andersson is untouchable - just that the price is very high.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I can answer some of these

1. Conroy is open to looking at an extension with Rasmus but there's no "preference" in the matter, the power is in Rasmus's hands and no talks have happened since the summer.
2. He does not prefer to stay in Calgary, he wants to win a cup.
3. Most certainly his focus is on Calgary and winning here right now, but he's been very open and honest with Craig (like Tkachuk was previously) that his intent is winning a cup in the next 3 years. He's been very outspoken against a longer term rebuild.
4.I'm not aware of any firm date, I've been told its not that precise but I do know that Craig is taking calls on Rasmus almost weekly and that talks continue.
5. Craig will do what's right for the Flames long term, he's not going to blow a bunch of trades on a season like this one just for the sake of getting to the first round and losing. His focus remains young centers and building around the guys that WANT to be here long term.

The Flames are not actively shopping anyone right now, but Andersson and Vladar remain the 2 hottest commodities, along with teams looking to dump vets for our picks but Craig's not biting on those.

The whole wanting to win a cup is normal as far as I'm concerned. One of the key pieces (or the key piece) to winning is obviously goaltending. Maybe 3 years is aggressive, but I certainly feel the Flames have that piece. Andersson seeing that as well might be a factor in the upcoming decision point.

For me, and what others have said, if Andersson expresses a desire to stay, I feel Conroy is obligated to at least work with him. Not cave in to ridiculous demands, but work with him. To do otherwise would go against one of his key pillars. If Andersson ultimately wants to move on, then so be it.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Nobody (not me at least) is saying you can't or shouldn't trade Anderson.

But it's not a 30 year trend blah blah blah to hold on to him until their playoff chances are much more clear than they are on November 27th.

They have time to make that call.

He also isn't a UFA this season and potential trades are likely half what is being speculated anyway. Feaster just had to trade Jaybo for some reason, how did that go.

[indes]

Rasmus @ 50% retention has to have some crazy value. What playoff teams even have the assets to add a top pair RHD for 1.5 seasons at 2.75m?

Alexander Nikishkin + ? from Carolina?
Easton Cowan + 1st + ? from Toronto?

[Harry Lime]

Nikishkin is a legit good prospect, and a level above the Toronto prospects. Leaf guys are overvalued.

[midniteowl]

Treliving can go pound sand!

[Tbull8]

Just asked my Leafs buddies if they would do Cowan for Rasmus and they said no... classic

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Just asked my Leafs buddies if they would do Cowan for Rasmus and they said no... classic

For funsies, I did the same in a couple of my Toronto group chats and all said, "Hell yes, (or similar,) that's an absolute steal for the Leafs."

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Not doing business with Tre unless it's an outright fleecing is the way.

[Bleeding Red]

In trading Anderson, my question is which team has a obvious need in their top 4?

TOR is committed to 4 guys for multiple years at $3.5 mil or better. Do they sit Tanev?
(Plus any trade with TOR needs to be at a serious premium. Giving Tre the opportunity to be the guy who got the TML a cup should be way expensive - Minten, Cowen, ++)

I look at the Panthers or Rangers. Anderson would be a clear upgrade on at least 2 guys in their current top 4. NYR still has their 1st and both have lots of center prospects.

[Harry Lime]

Honestly, I'd do Catton and Yanni Gourde from Seattle for Andersson (50%) and Rooney.

Takes all of the pressure off of Conroy to hit a home run at the next draft.

The top three centres are already set long term, in Seattle, with Beniers/Stephenson/Wright. This would trade from a position of strength and give a lot more balance to their team.

[Bingo Jr.]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Honestly, I'd do Catton and Yanni Gourde from Seattle for Andersson (50%) and Rooney.

Takes all of the pressure off of Conroy to hit a home run at the next draft.

The top three centres are already set long term, in Seattle, with Beniers/Stephenson/Wright. This would trade from a position of strength and give a lot more balance to their team.

I was pretty shocked by that Catton pick given their long-time C situation as you mentioned. Thought for sure they would go the Parekh/Dickinson/Silayev/Buium route.