2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Dan403

Young players need to be "raised" in a good environment. That's why it matters and that's why Conroy cares.

And its why you're wrong. But that's ok. Own your wrongness.

Yes, because this ownership group and the management they have hired, who have continued to champion this exact view over the last 30 years, have been right so many times.

WAIT

What's that you say?

We are literally the most mediocre team possible in the league over that same time period?

Oh! You're right I must be wrong.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Ummmm...Craig Conroy does, as that is a huge part of his job.



Doesnt matter what YOU care about. Its about the 23 guys putting that jersey on game after game and making sure the culture around them is conducive to winning.

You want young guys to learn to play the right way in order to achieve future success? You HAVE to have guys that know how that happens and what it takes to get there. Almost as important is having them doing so together.

Andersson may or may not be part of the long term plan for this club, but there is zero rush to trade him now considering both how the team is playing (reagardless of how YOU think its being done) and his contract is good for yet another year.

This is a pretty funny mantra for a group of guys who were consummate losers over the last two seasons. I get it, we want "culture" or whatever, but really, there are not likely to be more than 5 of our current players who move on to the competing version of the calgary flames (if we ever intend to get there.) The culture will be whatever Dustin Wolf, or other young leaders, want it to be.

[activeStick]

My views currently...

- Conroy prefers to keep Andersson with the Flames longterm
- Andersson prefers to stay in Calgary over moving to a different city
- If it's clear to Andersson that the Flames are projecting out to be a bottom 10 team for the next 3-4 years (not what it looks like today), he will support the Flames trading him to a team that has a competitve outlook over the next 3-4 years
- If the Flames make the playoffs this year or just miss out in the last week or two, Andersson will extend before the start of next season
- If Andersson is not extended by December 2025, he will be traded (Conroy won't let him walk for nothing)

[Bonded]

Andersson's value between now and the deadline this year probably won't change much so there isn't much pressure until then. It probably drops into the offseason and then drops further at next year's deadline.

[howard_the_duck]

I don't think anyone could look at this team and project where they'll be in the next few years. Fact is, there's still a ton of veterans who are core contributors, and they're entering years where historically you start to see performance drop off.

Two of our top centers are 35+. Veterans up and down the lineup. And there's nothing really pushing in our prospect pool that projects to step in and be a monster contributor this season or next.

A young team making the playoffs, there's reason for optimism they're up and coming. This group? I could just as easily see a yo-yo performance where this season was a bit of a last gasp, and father time catches up with some of the core veterans.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

WHO CARES ABOUT THIS ROOM. Who cares if the mood is ruined? Guys like Kadri and Weegar are good players but not going to get this version of the flames a cup.

I care about like 4 players in the room. Wolf. Zary. Coronato. Backlund. Everyone else can and should be traded. Playing ~96 point sneak into the playoff hockey does not equal a good performance and a contender.

This from the guy who was telling everyone at the start of last season Wolf would ask for a trade if he didn’t get minimum 20 starts and the Flames needed to trade Markstrom right now. Otherwise, Wolf was as good as gone.

….. just for some context.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

I don't think anyone could look at this team and project where they'll be in the next few years. Fact is, there's still a ton of veterans who are core contributors, and they're entering years where historically you start to see performance drop off.

Two of our top centers are 35+. Veterans up and down the lineup. And there's nothing really pushing in our prospect pool that projects to step in and be a monster contributor this season or next.

A young team making the playoffs, there's reason for optimism they're up and coming. This group? I could just as easily see a yo-yo performance where this season was a bit of a last gasp, and father time catches up with some of the core veterans.

100%. That is why I hope Conroy stays patient even if they make it in. Feels like a group that could be picking top 5 next season no matter where they finish this year.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Yes, because this ownership group and the management they have hired, who have continued to champion this exact view over the last 30 years, have been right so many times.

WAIT

What's that you say?

We are literally the most mediocre team possible in the league over that same time period?

Oh! You're right I must be wrong.

Give it a rest.

The team has been solid in asset management for the last 18 months, showing significant change to any 30 year mantra that any fan could point to.

Anderson is not a UFA so they're not risking losing him for nothing at any point this season.

Giving a team that has outplayed expectations some rope, and not gutting their room in the middle of that unexpected start isn't against asset management, and has as much logic behind it as anything.

If the team slides they can pivot and move assets as they see fit.

If they don't falter they can reassess Anderson and his contract in the summer.

Placing zero value on the human element of a hockey team is the most shortsighted nonsense I could point to.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

This is a pretty funny mantra for a group of guys who were consummate losers over the last two seasons. I get it, we want "culture" or whatever, but really, there are not likely to be more than 5 of our current players who move on to the competing version of the calgary flames (if we ever intend to get there.) The culture will be whatever Dustin Wolf, or other young leaders, want it to be.

It isn't the players "mantra", it's managements. Its also what every single team in the NHL attempts to do. It goes well for some and not so well for others. Just because a TEAM has little success that does not preclude individuals from being both good players and leaders to others.

That's pro sports.

It's not a difficult concept.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by TOfan

This from the guy who was telling everyone at the start of last season Wolf would ask for a trade if he didn’t get minimum 20 starts and the Flames needed to trade Markstrom right now. Otherwise, Wolf was as good as gone.

….. just for some context.

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They played him in 17 games last season so I think I was pretty bang on there, tbh.

Thanks for your helpful context.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

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They played him in 17 games last season so I think I was pretty bang on there, tbh.

Thanks for your helpful context.

Wolf wasn't demanding a trade either way lol

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by transplant99

It isn't the players "mantra", it's managements. Its also what every single team in the NHL attempts to do. It goes well for some and not so well for others. Just because a TEAM has little success that does not preclude individuals from being both good players and leaders to others.

That's pro sports.

It's not a difficult concept.

I don't know what you're trying to argue here. I would argue that very few teams in the NHL try to take a group of players who have never won anything substantitive with their club and elevate them to a core of individuals who need to be kept happy and motivated to instill winning culture. It seems like a dumb idea tbh. The clubs with the most success over the last 2 decades were built primarily on the backs of developing self drafted players and allowing those players to elevate and determine club culture. That would be the Zary, Wolf crew. Maybe Andersson but he already asked for a trade in the summer!

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Give it a rest.

The team has been solid in asset management for the last 18 months, showing significant change to any 30 year mantra that any fan could point to.

Anderson is not a UFA so they're not risking losing him for nothing at any point this season.

Giving a team that has outplayed expectations some rope, and not gutting their room in the middle of that unexpected start isn't against asset management, and has as much logic behind it as anything.

If the team slides they can pivot and move assets as they see fit.

If they don't falter they can reassess Anderson and his contract in the summer.

Placing zero value on the human element of a hockey team is the most shortsighted nonsense I could point to.

Placing Too MUCH value on the human element of hockey keeps us trapped in mediocrity. I think there's a middle ground somewhere, but IMO vegas has already proven without a doubt that the successful ground is closer to placing 0 value than it is on placing most value there.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

All the red flags

He's a one dimensional player that isn't even particularly great at that one dimension. And the way he's quitting on his team would be concerning.

I think even if you can get him for a low price (which I doubt is the case, Verbeek is trying to extract value) then I think you have to think hard about whether you want him in your room and around young players.

Also seems the kind of player who, even if he revives his play on the ice, would walk himself to UFA status and sign with an American team.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Wolf wasn't demanding a trade either way lol

Your speculation is just as valuable as mine. So good job! But, we saw a goalie in a similar position do exactly that successfully with Askarov.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Your speculation is just as valuable as mine. So good job! But, we saw a goalie in a similar position do exactly that successfully with Askarov.

The Preds chose Saros on a long term deal and then Askarov wanted out. Keep on gnashing your teeth

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Your speculation is just as valuable as mine. So good job! But, we saw a goalie in a similar position do exactly that successfully with Askarov.

Askarov had a recently signed-to-an-8-year-deal Saros ahead of him....Wolf had no such worry.

Next.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

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They played him in 17 games last season so I think I was pretty bang on there, tbh.

Thanks for your helpful context.

Oh no. It was 20. Minimum. You were, in fact, incorrect. Bang on would have been Wolf starting 20, or more, games.

I guess the Flames got lucky, that time. Surely Wolf will demand a trade eventually, right?

[Paulie Walnuts]

The human element is important in the type of player you bring in.

But cutthroat management is what gets it done.

Vegas doesn't give a #### about any of that stuff and have a cup. Weegar and Huberdeau got blindsided by trades, and Huberdeau is yet to recover. Now Florida has a cup.

Sometimes you just have to do what is right for your team in the long run.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I don't know what you're trying to argue here. I would argue that very few teams in the NHL try to take a group of players who have never won anything substantitive with their club and elevate them to a core of individuals who need to be kept happy and motivated to instill winning culture. It seems like a dumb idea tbh. The clubs with the most success over the last 2 decades were built primarily on the backs of developing self drafted players and allowing those players to elevate and determine club culture. That would be the Zary, Wolf crew. Maybe Andersson but he already asked for a trade in the summer!

Where/when was this trade request made? I don’t recall seeing this reported by Friedman, CJ, LeBrun, Dreger, Stienberg, Francis, anyone.

Seems to me, if this was a legitimate trade request, it would be front and centre and as much of the discourse surrounding the Flames this year as Lindholm or Hanifin or Tanev was last year.