LOL, exclude energy. Doubt that is the most important product for the states. They have more than enough capacity of their own. And excluding energy would defeat the purpose of the tariffs.
I'm guessing you don't drive, oil companies down south will be licking their lips at the price gouging opportunity this will give them, Covid won't have nothing on this as an excuse.
Might be an idea to pass a law here directing any excess capacity to be dumped cheaply into our domestic market to make life a little easier up here
I think it's great news. Trudeau won't be able to have an open border policy and will need to tackle fentanyl imports coming in from China. I think it's real leadership by trump. He's dealing with wage suppression and addiction, by crook or by hook!
If you're pro irresponsible immigration and pro fentanyl and pro incompetence, I could see why this would be upsetting.
This is parody right? You're laughing at me for taking you seriously, right?
Canada does not have an open border. Not even close. The only people who can easily get in without us having much capacity to stop them are coming from the USA.
"Pro-incompetence". Dude, Trump is incompetent. And he's all about putting incompetent people into power. His cabinet looks more like a 'The Apprentice' cast than a government.
If Canada has so much power, why would the USA, clearly the greatest and most powerful nation on Earth with even more power, need us to save them from fentanyl and illegal immigrants?
Tell you what Donald, if it's so easy, stop the guns coming into our country that are killing Canadians, and we promise we'll stop sending you fentanyl and aliens. Deal?
Yeah I was thinking what if we retaliate with our own tariffs.
I really liked what we did last time. Retaliatory tariffs that specifically target products made in districts represented by influential and electorally vulnerable Republicans, and I don't see why we wouldn't repeat it.
Actually crude oil and natural gas are Canadas largest export to the us, and it’s not even close. So yeah it’s important, vitally so.
They can’t just flip a switch and supply the refinieries in the Chicago market for example without Canadian crude. They have one supply source, the Enbridge Canadian mainline system. Even if you had excess crude in Texas it can’t get to the refineries uo north, and the refineries in Texas can’t refine extra product and can’t transport it back north if they could.
If he enacts tariffs on crude oil and natural gas the impact will be immediate on many of the battleground states in terms of rising energy costs. It would take decades to try to wean the us off of our energy sources, if it were even possible.
Sure, my point is that Trump does not give a ####. And this idea that he would exclude the one product that matters to Alberta is laughable. Why would he do that? Electricity costs would skyrocket in a lot more places than fuel would skyrocket so I would guess the first thing that Trump would exempt is electricity if he were to exempt anything.
Sure, my point is that Trump does not give a ####. And this idea that he would exclude the one product that matters to Alberta is laughable. Why would he do that? Electricity costs would skyrocket in a lot more places than fuel would skyrocket so I would guess the first thing that Trump would exempt is electricity if he were to exempt anything.
People are really sensitive to gas price. It doesn’t make sense but they are.
Since this Tarriff is really about a problem that doesn’t exist - Canadian Fentanyl into the US and illegal immigration from Canadian entry points into the US it will be an easy one to give Trump a win on immigration and drug smuggling. You just say you are doing something about it, hold a press conference and call it a day.
And if he puts in Tarrifs you respond with maximum economic destruction counter tarriff and stopping exports.
We've already had a couple US counterparts reach out because they are concerned about the tariffs. They know they are getting hit with the tariff, because we sure aren't going to be taking the hit.
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Looks like you'll need one long before I will. May I suggest deflection king?
By all means, please verify that beyond just a random, obscure Florida-based 'journalist'. Because the Mexican president Claudia Sheinbaum had this to say in today's news:
President Claudia Sheinbaum suggested Tuesday that Mexico could retaliate with tariffs of its own, after U.S. President-elect Donald Trump threatened to impose 25% import duties on Mexican goods if the country doesn’t stop the flow of drugs and migrants across the border.
Sheinbaum said she was willing to engage in talks on the issues, but said drugs were a U.S. problem.
“One tariff would be followed by another in response, and so on until we put at risk common businesses,” Sheinbaum said, referring to U.S. automakers that have plants on both sides of the border.
She said Tuesday that Mexico had done a lot to stem the flow of migrants, noting “caravans of migrants no longer reach the border.”
She also said Mexico had worked to stem the flow of drugs like the deadly synthetic opioid fentanyl, despite an influx of weapons smuggled in from the United States. She said the flow of drugs “is a problem of public health and consumption in your country’s society.”
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Do MAGAs forget that the current trade agreement Canada and the USA have (USMCA) was instituted by the orange himself? If it's such a bad agreement for America, are they admitting that Trump did a bad job in his first term? Remember, he had the house & senate too at that time.
Canada will retaliate - we did last time when he instituted 25% on Canadian steel & aluminium. Canada will retaliate again, except this time it will be devastating for Canadian industries like manufacturing, and it will destroy the stability of supply chain in the USA.
People are really sensitive to gas price. It doesn’t make sense but they are.
Since this Tarriff is really about a problem that doesn’t exist - Canadian Fentanyl into the US and illegal immigration from Canadian entry points into the US it will be an easy one to give Trump a win on immigration and drug smuggling. You just say you are doing something about it, hold a press conference and call it a day.
And if he puts in Tarrifs you respond with maximum economic destruction counter tarriff and stopping exports.
Isn't there actually kind of a big problem with drugs going from Canada into the US? I mean we definitely have been hearing more about busts on the border, and there was a massive drug lab taken down in BC the other day.
So I wouldn't say its about a problem that doesn't exist, but instead its a problem Canada 100% should be working with the US on solving, and something we can easily deal with.
Yeah, energy is clearly important for Canada, but frankly we export a lot more than that to the US. While excluding energy is great, it doesn’t solve anything for us, and that 25% tariff will be catastrophic for some industries.
I feel bad for farmers, forestry workers, people who work in tech. It might get ugly.
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