[PGT] Flames lose to Senators, 4-3

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

Did the Sens high stick or elbow or throw the puck over the glass and they didn't get called? I don't recall anything like that.

The infractions don't have to match what the Flames got called for to be penalties.

[FireGilbert]

9-2 power plays is ridiculous for an evenly played game. Refs had their ego bruised by Huska making two challenges.

The challenge system is stupid. Use video to get the calls right, don’t force the coaches to play roulette.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The superman dive should have been at least an even up, Huberdeau gets a penalty for being stronger in a scrum...but whatever if you want to call the book call it both ways. Sens were running interference all game. Coleman got leveled without the puck.

Refs were bad, not really much to debate

But they weren’t calling things “by the book” or being super hard on the flames. The calls that went against flames were dumb plays, dumb stick infractions.

They weren’t 50/50 calls that sometimes get called, sometimes don’t.

Calling multiple obvious penalties on one team should necessitate some closer calls on the other to even things up.

I just didn’t see multiple obvious calls on Ottawa being missed.

There were missed closer calls on both sides as there is in everything single game in hockey and has been in the history of the spot.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by Inferno

The infractions don't have to match what the Flames got called for to be penalties.

Right and close holding/hooking/interference calls shouldn’t have to be made on the sens to even things up because the flames got called for their dumb plays.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I think both sides deserved the loss tonight:


Flames deserved to lose because they didn't have enough discipline.
Refs deserved to lose for not calling some obvious infractions vs Ottawa.


You just move on to the next. Ottawa has a lethal PP, so good on the Flames for not getting buried considering the calls.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by FireGilbert

Refs had their ego bruised by Huska making two challenges.

Jesus. That’s a stretch.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Rejean31

I knew the Flames weren't winning this game when I saw that asshat Kris King give it the exuberant thumbs down when they were reviewing Weegars goal. Clearly the control room had put huge dollars down on a Sens win tonight. #### Kris King, #### Trevor Hanson and #### John MacIssac.

That was so ####ed up.

You see how quickly they cut from the next time, because everyone knew N exuberant thumbs up was going to come the other way?

Is everyone yelling in there so they have to give hand signs?


I get the refs make calls at a high speed and should not have to validate why they made a certain call, but how they can not say someone was pushed in and almost emphatically, I mean come on, if there was sound I’m sure he stuck out his tounge and make a fart sound while putting his thumb down, and they cut just before they all through their heads back in the air and laughed while holding up their proline tickets.

[sch19lks]

The Flames didn’t play well tonight, just couldn’t get anything going. The refs were kind of #### too, but the Flames didn’t play well.

BUT, man Ottawa sucks. That’s an example of a team that went scorched earth and it didn’t work. They have some really good pieces like Stutzle, Tkachuk and Sanderson, but holy smokes does that team have a long ways to go

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by sch19lks

BUT, man Ottawa sucks. That’s an example of a team that went scorched earth and it didn’t work. They have some really good pieces like Stutzle, Tkachuk and Sanderson, but holy smokes does that team have a long ways to go

Yup, and they didn't even really try to go scorched earth. They just had an owner who was completely bats and a GM who didn't know whether to shoot or wind his watch.

Just a reminder, for those who think the Flames are (or were) the laughingstock of the league. There's a lot of competition for that position.

[sch19lks]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Yup, and they didn't even really try to go scorched earth. They just had an owner who was completely bats and a GM who didn't know whether to shoot or wind his watch.

Just a reminder, for those who think the Flames are (or were) the laughingstock of the league. There's a lot of competition for that position.

The Flames are a long ways off from being a contender, but this team will never bottom out. There’s teams out there that are worse the the Sens. Buffalo is wandering around with a bunch of good, young players, but that team is completely lost. Unless you get incredibly lucky and win the draft lottery, you have to be really bad to pick top five. Like, really, really bad

Tanking doesn’t mean automatic success

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

Did the Sens high stick or elbow or throw the puck over the glass and they didn't get called? I don't recall anything like that.

Quibble about a hook or hold here and there, sure, but you know what, the Flames probably had a hook or hold that didn't get called as well.

The Flames took obvious penalties that really had to be called and that caused the massive discrepancy.

I can name a few obvious ones:

1. Obvious interference against Kirkland, intentionally pushing him not once, but twice, into the goaltender (which is why the call on the ice should have been overturned, and the Flames should not have been shorthanded).

2. Coronato, well after the puck was gone, having both arms wrapped up and being skated, head and knee first, into the boards and unable to protect himself. Could have easily been 5.

3. Coleman being hit even though it was another Flame who had touched the puck.

4. Multiple cases of embellishment.

5. Hamonic with hand on the puck in the crease, then pulling it under himself. Under the literal wording of the rule, should have been an automatic goal, but at a very minimum it was delay of game.

Plus lots of other instances of hooking, holding, interference, slashing, and crosschecking, for which the Flames were penalized on every opportunity, but the Sens were not.

Generally speaking, minor penalties will reflect the flow of play, possession, and scoring opportunities in the game. A 9-2 edge in power plays is exceedingly rare, and should reflect extraordinarily lopsided 5v5 play.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

5. Hamonic with hand on the puck in the crease, then pulling it under himself. Under the literal wording of the rule, should have been an automatic goal, but at a very minimum it was delay of game.

When did Ottawa pull their goalie?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The superman dive should have been at least an even up, Huberdeau gets a penalty for being stronger in a scrum...but whatever if you want to call the book call it both ways. Sens were running interference all game. Coleman got leveled without the puck.

Refs were bad, not really much to debate

You mean the play where Weegar broke his stick at the blue line and tackled Giroux like he was a free safety?

There isn’t a ref on earth who’d give the forward a dive on that play, and you’d be deservedly livid if it happened to the Flames.

[Vinsta13]

Looking at the scoresheet confused to how Coronato didn’t get an assist on Sharky’s goal. It was a goal off a rebound from his shot.

[Goriders]

That’s a burn the tape game. Haven’t been many of those this year. I don’t think they played horribly. But if you are that undisciplined you are flat out going to lose.

Happens every once in a while. Learn from it and move on.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Vinsta13

Looking at the scoresheet confused to how Coronato didn’t get an assist on Sharky’s goal. It was a goal off a rebound from his shot.

Jensen actually cleared the rebound right onto Sharangovichs stick.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

What from my list shouldn't have been called outside of the Kuzmenko one that we didn't have a better look at, so neither of us can be certain.

The GI call was bad, so there should have been (a) a goal and (b) no penalty. The Huberdeau penalty was hardly anything and should have been offsetting at the very least. There should have been no man advantage for Weegar’spenlaty with that clear dive.

So that’s 4 that should not have been a power play for the Sens.

[calumniate]

Had a bad feeling they'd lose after the failed challenge. Why would you do that while up 1 0 early? Dumb dumb call by the coaches

[Locke]

Originally Posted by calumniate

Had a bad feeling they'd lose after the failed challenge. Why would you do that while up 1 0 early? Dumb dumb call by the coaches

Honestly? That game is just one where you tell the video coaches to can the tape, tell the players to forget about it and move along.

The coaches will learn that they have to preach discipline more and thats about the extent of it.

Otherwise...put it behind you and on to the next one.

[Goriders]

Hopefully they can win 2 out of the next 3. 0.500 road trip would be great.