American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by KelVarnsen

Honest question for the mods.

I have Mel on ignore which works great but considering he is a troll and adds nothing why is he still here? Like don't we have rules?

Which rules do you think he’s breaking that other posters don’t break every day?

[Paulie Walnuts]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1860316661397512303

Yikes

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Which rules do you think he’s breaking that other posters don’t break every day?

Thank you Cliff for doing the People’s work

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by GGG

No it was a classic Lanny Link bomb where you present a whole bunch of information that if you actually read it you find it doesn’t support the discussion ongoing and is designed to overwhelm people. You don’t bother to make a consxose point and put all the onus the reader to infer your argument. It’s bull####

You seem to be conflating interference and influence and intentionally misinterpreting the term hacking being used by Mel and the original author of the cyber security paper.

No, I claim to be pointing out the vast body of evidence of election interference existing that stupid ####s like yourself are incapable of understanding, and are actually a major issue in this and every election since 2016, when the Russians first started trying to manipulate the results. I can't help that you're an idiot (you got a thanks from Mel Bridgeman) and can't understand the complexity of the issue. It would not be the first time, nor would it be the last time, you pulled such ####. I don't think I should have to lay out each and every aspect of these things in elementary terms, especially to someone who portrays themselves as being smarter than everyone else. What I have taken from this is you're a fraud and don't have the intellect to approach complex issues and understand when complex are points are presented. You're like Trump and need the "coloring book" version presented to you. ####ing pathetic, especially when you are attacking others for not having a complex/nuanced approached to the issue. The United States government seems to understand this issue clearly, but for some reason it is beyond you - the smartest guy in the room.

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Ya, Lanny’s posts are below my pay grade—classic strawman.

You have no argument so you're going to make wild accusations. Classic MelBridgeman.




What exactly is the paygrade of a fry cook at McDonalds?

[GGG]

So Lanny the discussion that was happening was was this election hacked.

Do you believe that the election was hacked such that not real votes were added to Trump?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by GGG

So Lanny the discussion that was happening was was this election hacked.

Do you believe that the election was hacked such that not real votes were added to Trump?

I know that nation state actors influenced the vote and skewed it toward Trump. This was forewarned by the intelligence community, the FBI, CISA, and by interested private third-party interests. Data supports these claims. Information from federal, state, and county election interests support these claims. Real or not real votes is irrelevant, as individuals were influenced so their vote would be cast under the influence of interests other than those of the United States or its citizens. Sadly, this has happened in each of the past five elections, but Americans have not come to grips that they are subject to a complex psychological operation by actors from other nations (predominantly Russia, China, and Iran). So yes, this election was hacked using social engineering methods.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I know that nation state actors influenced the vote and skewed it toward Trump. This was forewarned by the intelligence community, the FBI, CISA, and by interested private third-party interests. Data supports these claims. Information from federal, state, and county election interests support these claims. Real or not real votes is irrelevant, as individuals were influenced so their vote would be cast under the influence of interests other than those of the United States or its citizens. Sadly, this has happened in each of the past five elections, but Americans have not come to grips that they are subject to a complex psychological operation by actors from other nations (predominantly Russia, China, and Iran). So yes, this election was hacked using social engineering methods.

Yeah everyone knows this. Hence it not really being interesting or actionable or what was being discussed.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Just brillant! No because you could make a case they abused their position for political purposes.

Incompentence doesn't know skin color but alas i keep forgetting my audience.

Ya there is no case that could be made that they abused their position for political purposes. Bragg got a conviction so I guess you would have to go after the 12 jurors as well under this ridiculous logic.

James also got a conviction, thus demonstrating the validity of the case.

It is a most ridiculous statement to even say the case could be made.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

I know that nation state actors influenced the vote and skewed it toward Trump. This was forewarned by the intelligence community, the FBI, CISA, and by interested private third-party interests. Data supports these claims. Information from federal, state, and county election interests support these claims. Real or not real votes is irrelevant, as individuals were influenced so their vote would be cast under the influence of interests other than those of the United States or its citizens. Sadly, this has happened in each of the past five elections, but Americans have not come to grips that they are subject to a complex psychological operation by actors from other nations (predominantly Russia, China, and Iran). So yes, this election was hacked using social engineering methods.

This was true of Brexit as well, sadly Russia and China have realized how easy it is to whip up right of center voters to commit economic suicide

[dino7c]

People are free to love Trump in here...his first move was to give a pedo a major government position though so don't be shocked when people point out how stupid you are
oh, and we told you so...get ready for four years of we told you so

we ####ing a toad a so

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by dino7c

People are free to love Trump in here...his first move was to give a pedo a major government position though so don't be shocked when people point out how stupid you are
oh, and we told you so...get ready for four years of we told you so

we ####ing a toad a so

They consider that a feature, not a bug.

[GullFoss]

The first four years under trump were pretty great for many people in the US, with real wages rising substantially for middle class Americans along with low unemployment. His presidency was only undone by progressives coercing social media and fake news media into trying to build consensus for a lockdown approach to COVID that looks increasingly more stupid with every day that passes.

I genuinely believe that 2020-21 is a pivotal period of history in the sense that it was a year people and politicians did and advocated for a lot of crazy, overboard, clown stuff for which they quickly forgave themselves but which was neither forgotten nor forgiven by a material portion of the electorate.

And it's going to skew elections for 35+ years to the right. I myself am a former progressive thats fully vaxxed and made $$$$ through covid. But I will probably never vote for a progressive party ever again because of the long-term damage they did to our country. The polls clearly show demographic shifts that make clear many people feel the same, with Gen Z and millennials turning to conservatism younger than previous generations.

The Republicans won the house, the Senate, the presidency. This isn't just about trump. And imo it's not going to be a one term phenomenon or contained to the US.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Ya there is no case that could be made that they abused their position for political purposes. Bragg got a conviction so I guess you would have to go after the 12 jurors as well under this ridiculous logic.

James also got a conviction, thus demonstrating the validity of the case.

It is a most ridiculous statement to even say the case could be made.

Lol really? a conviction validates the case? Hello OJ! I mean if we took 12 of the usual suspects out of this thread, i bet we would also get a conviction.

Anyways there are check and balances and it hasn't fully played out yet. But many who side on neutrality would disagree with that statement.

Anyways that a low resolution answer to a high resolution set of circumstances.

As far as James goes she said somethings during her campaign she will regret.

[Wormius]

Hahahaha. The OJ Simpson acquittal means all convictions within the last 30 years are invalid.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Hahahaha. The OJ Simpson acquittal means all convictions within the last 30 years are invalid.

I have no idea what your last point means, again the statement that a trial is validated by the conviction ISNT always true. This is a very nuanced situation and it will get double and triple checked. That tends to happen when you are apparently the first person in the history to be charged with that offense for those circumstances, combined with the AG entire campiagn rhetoric, you would be foolish DESPITE your hatred for Trump to think otherwise.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

The first four years under trump were pretty great for many people in the US, with real wages rising substantially for middle class Americans along with low unemployment. His presidency was only undone by progressives coercing social media and fake news media into trying to build consensus for a lockdown approach to COVID that looks increasingly more stupid with every day that passes.

Wow. I believe the word "kookoo" fits (since the correct spelling is censored).

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Woof.

There are some truly asinine positions from the usual suspects on the right in this thread.

Lockdown was a uniquely American liberal position made to ruin Trump (it wasn't...go look at every other modern nation's policies, or at how extreme the lockdown policies and enforcement in China were for an example of how the authoritarians treated the issue).

Trump's conviction is not valid because...reasons....legal reasons, that someone can't fully explain (it's not, it was due process that was under severe scrutiny because of who was being charged, and it passed that scrutiny and led to a clear conviction).

I love making things up. Hey look, I can do it too!

I heard that everyone who supports Trump does so because he is an alpha male and they are all betas who have to bow down to him because nature requires that the weak are subservient to the strong....also because they all have 3 inch penises.

Cool, now can we get back to an actual discussion again?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

The first four years under trump were pretty great for many people in the US, with real wages rising substantially for middle class Americans along with low unemployment. His presidency was only undone by progressives coercing social media and fake news media into trying to build consensus for a lockdown approach to COVID that looks increasingly more stupid with every day that passes.

I genuinely believe that 2020-21 is a pivotal period of history in the sense that it was a year people and politicians did and advocated for a lot of crazy, overboard, clown stuff for which they quickly forgave themselves but which was neither forgotten nor forgiven by a material portion of the electorate.

And it's going to skew elections for 35+ years to the right. I myself am a former progressive thats fully vaxxed and made $$$$ through covid. But I will probably never vote for a progressive party ever again because of the long-term damage they did to our country. The polls clearly show demographic shifts that make clear many people feel the same, with Gen Z and millennials turning to conservatism younger than previous generations.

The Republicans won the house, the Senate, the presidency. This isn't just about trump. And imo it's not going to be a one term phenomenon or contained to the US.

Took me two minutes to find out that you’ve been saying you’re a former progressive while dunking on progressives and justifying (to… someone… yourself I guess) why you’re a conservative now since you basically became a member.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

The first four years under trump were pretty great for many people in the US, with real wages rising substantially for middle class Americans along with low unemployment. His presidency was only undone by progressives coercing social media and fake news media into trying to build consensus for a lockdown approach to COVID that looks increasingly more stupid with every day that passes.

I genuinely believe that 2020-21 is a pivotal period of history in the sense that it was a year people and politicians did and advocated for a lot of crazy, overboard, clown stuff for which they quickly forgave themselves but which was neither forgotten nor forgiven by a material portion of the electorate.

And it's going to skew elections for 35+ years to the right. I myself am a former progressive thats fully vaxxed and made $$$$ through covid. But I will probably never vote for a progressive party ever again because of the long-term damage they did to our country. The polls clearly show demographic shifts that make clear many people feel the same, with Gen Z and millennials turning to conservatism younger than previous generations.

The Republicans won the house, the Senate, the presidency. This isn't just about trump. And imo it's not going to be a one term phenomenon or contained to the US.

Lol Trump won uneducated whites and nobody else. Trump inherited a great economy after 8 years of Obama and only took 4 years to destroy it. This time will be far worse.

The Sharks and Ducks played for the cup and somebody had to win...neither side had a good candidate. House/Senate were setup for republicans to do well, it will be the opposite in 2 years especially in the house. Things will continue to swing back and fourth as people blame the government for their ####ty lives.
34+ years lol, come on now

You people talk like this is the biggest landslide of all time and a mandate to do whatever he pleases...Guy got 77M votes, not even 50% of votes cast. Really this election was a layup for the republicans considering inflation due largely to Covid...Trump actually kept it close.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

You had a Republican president who didn't take Covid seriously, talked about how sunlight and maybe ingesting something might get rid of it, hummed and hawed for months instead of encouraging every American to get vaxxed asap (even turned Fauci into a villain), ended up as (I believe) only the 2nd President to leave office with a net negative job creation number while overseeing said pandemic...........and democrats have created 'long term damage' to the country?

Trump absolutely loves stuff like that. Never his fault. Always the victim. Amazing con man, I have to give him credit for that.