[Trade] Markstrom (31.25% retained) traded to NJ for 2025 1st (top 10 protected) and Bahl

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Yeah because Kidd couldn't stop a beach ball. but once again it wasn't against the Oilers...

You're confusing most annoying with worst.

I wasn't happy with how Markstrom played against the Oilers. Actually I wasn't happy with the performance by any of the Flames. Maybe Tanev considering he was playing with one arm. But I've seen worse playoff performances by Flames goalies.

[Calgary4LIfe]

With how Bahl is playing, I would have been 100% good with the Markstrom trade being straight-up for Bahl. Having Wolf AND Vladar (Vladar has been great too!) both shining, it feels like you just acquired Bahl for nothing, really. Not throwing shade at Markstrom - he was a good goalie with one poor season (which seemed to be explained away with 'baby jitters').



Devils sit 4th in the NHL right now. However, they also played the most games. Flames are tied with Florida with a .625 win percentage (10th and 11th best). NJ is 9th best in win%. Are they a contender right now? I do think they WILL be a top-tier contender once they turn that corner, but I am not convinced that they have turned that corner yet. I can see them tumbling down the rankings a bit. Who knows, maybe that 1st will be somewhere between 10 and 15? Maybe McQueen takes a tumble down the draft rankings with his injury after Lindstrom's unfortunate time with his back injury this year makes other teams hesitant. Imagine Calgary picking up McQueen with the Devil's draft pick? Probably won't happen, but it would be amazing if the Flames ended up with a top-end player and Bahl, without ever losing a step after Markstrom's departure.


Bahl has really been fantastic. So steady out there.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by devo22

I could have sworn Hiller had crapped the bed at one point in the playoffs too, but I guess it was the Elliott year.

all a blur to me. We've really had some terrible goaltending since Kipper.

2014/2015 Hiller and Ramo split the net in the playoffs
Hiller was 3-3, 2.61 .919
Ramo was 4-2, 2.86, .906.

In Game 6 v. the Nucks, Hiller started but gave up 2 goals on 3 shots.
Ramo came in and got the win.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Inferno

You're confusing most annoying with worst.

I wasn't happy with how Markstrom played against the Oilers. Actually I wasn't happy with the performance by any of the Flames. Maybe Tanev considering he was playing with one arm. But I've seen worse playoff performances by Flames goalies.

I've looked back at that Oilers series and am a bit more forgiving of Markstrom now.

In that series Sutter was stubborn and wouldn't tweak how they played against 97 and 29 and it killed them. They were bleeding high quality chances against those two (20.1 HD Corsi Against per 60 with those two on the ice!!!)

In that series we outscored the Oilers 15-8 when McDavid and Draisaitl weren't on the ice together, and got outscored 17-5 when they were on the ice together (14-5 at even strength).

They scored 8 high danger goals and had 34 high danger chances in the 5 games with those two on the ice together. (6 medium danger and 2 low danger).

Oilers shot 22.9% with McDavid and Drasaitl on the ice (17 goals on 74 shots - 0.770 save percentage)

They shot 8.3% without McDavid and Draisaitl on the ice (8 goals on 96 shots).

That series was as much a coaching failure as it was a goaltending failure. The Oilers should have played into the Flames hands by putting 29 and 97 on the same line but Sutter refused to actually create a line and pair to hard match against those two (and they abused Lindholm a bit going 11-3 with him on the ice in 42 of their 102 minutes on the ice together ).

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I've looked back at that Oilers series and am a bit more forgiving of Markstrom now.

In that series Sutter was stubborn and wouldn't tweak how they played against 97 and 29 and it killed them. They were bleeding high quality chances against those two (20.1 HD Corsi Against per 60 with those two on the ice!!!)

In that series we outscored the Oilers 15-8 when McDavid and Draisaitl weren't on the ice together, and got outscored 17-5 when they were on the ice together (14-5 at even strength).

They scored 8 high danger goals and had 34 high danger chances in the 5 games with those two on the ice together. (6 medium danger and 2 low danger).

Oilers shot 22.9% with McDavid and Drasaitl on the ice (17 goals on 74 shots - 0.770 save percentage)

They shot 8.3% without McDavid and Draisaitl on the ice (8 goals on 96 shots).

That series was as much a coaching failure as it was a goaltending failure. The Oilers should have played into the Flames hands by putting 29 and 97 on the same line but Sutter refused to actually create a line and pair to hard match against those two (and they abused Lindholm a bit going 11-3 with him on the ice in 42 of their 102 minutes on the ice together ).

Yup, Sutter not adapting the plan was a big factor.

Hard staple a backlund line on those two, and then let Lindholm line play aginst other Oiler garbage.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

In that series Sutter was stubborn and wouldn't tweak how they played against 97 and 29 and it killed them.

I remember being pretty irritated it took him until I think game 4 to finally start having them focus on smothering McDavid.

It's crazy it took him that long.

[Shazam]

Sutter was a pretty bad coach by the end.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I've looked back at that Oilers series and am a bit more forgiving of Markstrom now.

In that series Sutter was stubborn and wouldn't tweak how they played against 97 and 29 and it killed them. They were bleeding high quality chances against those two (20.1 HD Corsi Against per 60 with those two on the ice!!!)

In that series we outscored the Oilers 15-8 when McDavid and Draisaitl weren't on the ice together, and got outscored 17-5 when they were on the ice together (14-5 at even strength).

They scored 8 high danger goals and had 34 high danger chances in the 5 games with those two on the ice together. (6 medium danger and 2 low danger).

Oilers shot 22.9% with McDavid and Drasaitl on the ice (17 goals on 74 shots - 0.770 save percentage)

They shot 8.3% without McDavid and Draisaitl on the ice (8 goals on 96 shots).

That series was as much a coaching failure as it was a goaltending failure. The Oilers should have played into the Flames hands by putting 29 and 97 on the same line but Sutter refused to actually create a line and pair to hard match against those two (and they abused Lindholm a bit going 11-3 with him on the ice in 42 of their 102 minutes on the ice together ).

It's weird because Sutter played in an era where you did appoint a shadow to a guy like Gretzky.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It's weird because Sutter played in an era where you did appoint a shadow to a guy like Gretzky.

Sutter actually did staple their best shutdown/offensive centre to that line... Lindholm was fantastic that year both offensively and defensively. He finished second in Selke votes, and it seemed to me that he had developed into the next Patrice Bergeron. That line made a lot of sense matching up with McDavid that year.

To me, the team just played into the Oilers run and gun system too much, after winning that opening 9-6 barn burner (which followed a 9-5 win in their last regular season meeting). I think the players ended up thinking they could simply outscore the Oilers... and didn't need to stick to the defensive system that had them beat Dallas.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by YyjFlames

Sutter actually did staple their best shutdown/offensive centre to that line... Lindholm was fantastic that year both offensively and defensively. He finished second in Selke votes, and it seemed to me that he had developed into the next Patrice Bergeron. That line made a lot of sense matching up with McDavid that year.

To me, the team just played into the Oilers run and gun system too much, after winning that opening 9-6 barn burner (which followed a 9-5 win in their last regular season meeting). I think the players ended up thinking they could simply outscore the Oilers... and didn't need to stick to the defensive system that had them beat Dallas.

Lindholm may have been a great two way guy, but he was lining up with Gaudreau and Tkachuk, who are not (and Tkachuk was injured as well). Plus they were trying to score goals. Backlund as a shadow would have been a much better choice. Like a Steve Kasper.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I've looked back at that Oilers series and am a bit more forgiving of Markstrom now.

In that series Sutter was stubborn and wouldn't tweak how they played against 97 and 29 and it killed them. They were bleeding high quality chances against those two (20.1 HD Corsi Against per 60 with those two on the ice!!!)

In that series we outscored the Oilers 15-8 when McDavid and Draisaitl weren't on the ice together, and got outscored 17-5 when they were on the ice together (14-5 at even strength).

They scored 8 high danger goals and had 34 high danger chances in the 5 games with those two on the ice together. (6 medium danger and 2 low danger).

Oilers shot 22.9% with McDavid and Drasaitl on the ice (17 goals on 74 shots - 0.770 save percentage)

They shot 8.3% without McDavid and Draisaitl on the ice (8 goals on 96 shots).

That series was as much a coaching failure as it was a goaltending failure. The Oilers should have played into the Flames hands by putting 29 and 97 on the same line but Sutter refused to actually create a line and pair to hard match against those two (and they abused Lindholm a bit going 11-3 with him on the ice in 42 of their 102 minutes on the ice together ).

He flat out said you can't line match and shadow a player.

Sutter was supposed to be the difference maker, and he was for the wrong team. I think that series was when he lost the team, he was never the same coach again.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by YyjFlames

Sutter actually did staple their best shutdown/offensive centre to that line... Lindholm was fantastic that year both offensively and defensively. He finished second in Selke votes, and it seemed to me that he had developed into the next Patrice Bergeron. That line made a lot of sense matching up with McDavid that year.

To me, the team just played into the Oilers run and gun system too much, after winning that opening 9-6 barn burner (which followed a 9-5 win in their last regular season meeting). I think the players ended up thinking they could simply outscore the Oilers... and didn't need to stick to the defensive system that had them beat Dallas.

Lindholm was second in Selke voting yes. But Backlund was the best defensive centre on the team.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Not only that Markstrom sucked ass here. Good riddance to the WORST goalie in Flames playoff history!

Yes only vs the Oilers counted.

You have an irrational hatred for Markstrom. He is far from the worst goalie in Flames history. You must be young because Grant Fuhr immediately comes to mind as does Don Edwards. There are plenty of goalies who have disappointed throughout the years and you would be stretching if you considered Markstrom worse than them.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Buff

You have an irrational hatred for Markstrom. He is far from the worst goalie in Flames history. You must be young because Grant Fuhr immediately comes to mind as does Don Edwards. There are plenty of goalies who have disappointed throughout the years and you would be stretching if you considered Markstrom worse than them.

He just has an irrational hatred of certain players. He has quieted down lately on Andersson but he was going pretty hard after him earlier as well.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Buff

You have an irrational hatred for Markstrom. He is far from the worst goalie in Flames history. You must be young because Grant Fuhr immediately comes to mind as does Don Edwards. There are plenty of goalies who have disappointed throughout the years and you would be stretching if you considered Markstrom worse than them.

Choke job against the Oilers. Never forget!

and i've watched from Game 1 against the Nordiques. Don Edwards was far from the worst goalie the Flames ever had. However he does have the ugliest goalie mask ever worn by a Flame!

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Bonded

He just has an irrational hatred of certain players. He has quieted down lately on Andersson but he was going pretty hard after him earlier as well.

Oh I still want him off the team! Never forget!

and yes you are right. I have an irrational hate for players who played like kyit against the Oilers in a totally winnable series.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

I like the trade and am really loving Bahl's progression, but Markstrom has always taken an over-the-top amount of heat here. He was great at times, not so great at times, but he certainly wasn't awful his entire time in Calgary. And he definitely wasn't the only reason the Flames lost that playoff series to the Oilers, just an easy scapegoat. But glad the trade happened, got a really solid new blueliner and opened up a spot for Wolf to play. Great job by Conroy.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I like the trade and am really loving Bahl's progression, but Markstrom has always taken an over-the-top amount of heat here. He was great at times, not so great at times, but he certainly wasn't awful his entire time in Calgary. And he definitely wasn't the only reason the Flames lost that playoff series to the Oilers, just an easy scapegoat. But glad the trade happened, got a really solid new blueliner and opened up a spot for Wolf to play. Great job by Conroy.

The only good thing about 1st shot Mark after the Dallas series is he got us the 9th overall last year and Parekh.

[devo22]

said it before, when you sign a 30 year old in free agency and then trade him for a 1st+ four years later, it's a huge win ... that just doesn't happen very often in this league. Markstrom is a good goalie, but trading him was a necessity, both because you have a super talented young goalie waiting in the wings and because you need to acquire assets for your rebuild/retool/whatever. Just because of that, the trade was already a W for the Flames ... Bahl playing that well and looking like a long-term piece is the icing on the cake.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

The only good thing about 1st shot Mark after the Dallas series is he got us the 9th overall last year and Parekh.

Completely disagree. If it wasn't for Markstrom, this team would have drafted Tij Iginla as they would have probably ended up with a top 4 or 5 pick. Markstrom stole a LOT of games last year. You hate him, but he was really good last year. Easily the MVP.