2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Pony up.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by jayswin

There's no need to be discussing scenarios where the Flames have to overpay legitimate free agents to long term deals due to the cap floor.

100%. They will just find some more Mantha's etc if needed.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Oh, I wasn't suggesting he a 20 point guy.

But what happens if (when?) he gets moved off of PP1?

Yes, Calgary is not scoring goals. He's one of the primary reasons why they are not. Changing things to help that will likely lead to a decrease in his PP1 time.

50 points? Wow.

When your top PP1 guy is getting 50 points, expect the team to go through an epic period of not scoring goals.

If he was moved to PP2, I think he'd still have his 3 PP points. PP1 sucks not because of him, but because they don't use him very well. Flames have only scored 8 PPG. And half of them come from the second unit.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

No. Kotchetkov is ready.

Andersen is also hurt a lot. What happens if Kotch goes down? They are in their window now. I definitely could see them interested in Vladar.

[bigrangy]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

If he was moved to PP2, I think he'd still have his 3 PP points. PP1 sucks not because of him, but because they don't use him very well. Flames have only scored 8 PPG. And half of them come from the second unit.

I’m definitely in the “PP1 sucks because of Huberdeau” camp. He can’t enter the zone, can’t shoot, can’t protect pucks along the walls and win battles when needed, and most bafflingly, can’t complete a pass like he should be able to as the person with the all time record for most assists in a season at his position.

Any time he’s within 3 feet of an opposing player it’s a loss of possession, which is killing the PP, he can’t get to dangerous areas, and his touch for passing into the dangerous areas had evaporated.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

I’m definitely in the “PP1 sucks because of Huberdeau” camp. He can’t enter the zone, can’t shoot, can’t protect pucks along the walls and win battles when needed, and most bafflingly, can’t complete a pass like he should be able to as the person with the all time record for most assists in a season at his position.

Any time he’s within 3 feet of an opposing player it’s a loss of possession, which is killing the PP, he can’t get to dangerous areas, and his touch for passing into the dangerous areas had evaporated.

Yup.

Huberdeau is not good in the one place he should be. Terrible puck management. He is a detriment to PP1.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Bonded

100%. They will just find some more Mantha's etc if needed.

Yeah, reaching the cap floor is probably the easiest thing to do. There are always guys out there that you can overpay for a year, or cap dumps you can get from other teams. Even with the cap going up, there will be some GMs that go a little too crazy and need someone to take on a contract.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

I’m definitely in the “PP1 sucks because of Huberdeau” camp. He can’t enter the zone, can’t shoot, can’t protect pucks along the walls and win battles when needed, and most bafflingly, can’t complete a pass like he should be able to as the person with the all time record for most assists in a season at his position.

Any time he’s within 3 feet of an opposing player it’s a loss of possession, which is killing the PP, he can’t get to dangerous areas, and his touch for passing into the dangerous areas had evaporated.

You are not watching the PP. He doesn't get the touches he should be getting - it's been a constant problem. They play him net front half of the time. Now, you are dead wrong about his board work - he wins most of his puck battles. And his passes usually connect. But to stationary players.

His mistakes or losses in one on one plays get magnified a lot on here. Dude makes three passes to teammates who do nothing, then one of his passes gets deflected by a good stick and they keyboard warriors pounce "another giveaway". Meanwhile, the stats say he is 8th on the team in giveaways, way behind the D and behind Backlund, Coleman, Zary, ond only one more than Kadri, Pospisil and Kuzmeko. He gives the puck away no more often than any other guy on the power play. And less than a bunch of others.

[SuperMatt18]

It's a bit of both TBH.

He probably should be more of a focal point on the power play but it really seems like he hasn't been the guy the PP has run through in his entire time in Calgary.

Even in season 1 I remember games where Andersson and Toffoli would just pass it between them on the RH boards and never even look to the LH wing where Huberdeau was.

But he also doesn't really command the puck on the PP and when he does have the puck hasn't really been able to create chances.

But in the end the PP isn't bad because of one single player, the unit as a whole seems to lack movement, is very passive/static, and is too predictable and lacks creativity.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It's a bit of both TBH.

He probably should be more of a focal point on the power play but it really seems like he hasn't been the guy the PP has run through in his entire time in Calgary.

Even in season 1 I remember games where Andersson and Toffoli would just pass it between them on the RH boards and never even look to the LH wing where Huberdeau was.

But he also doesn't really command the puck on the PP and when he does have the puck hasn't really been able to create chances.

But in the end the PP isn't bad because of one single player, the unit as a whole seems to lack movement, is very passive/static, and is too predictable and lacks creativity.

The power play goal to tie it last game was exactly what they haven't been doing (it was unit 2 but unit 1 looked just as good). Cross ice, quick movement, players moving their feet and finding open ice.

[rogermexico]

Nm

[GioforPM]

Wolfy is in tough against Stankoven, who kind of has the advantage that Mark Stone did against Gaudreau - he just barely qualifies as a rookie.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Wolfy is in tough against Stankoven, who kind of has the advantage that Mark Stone did against Gaudreau - he just barely qualifies as a rookie.

I don't know. 4 goals don't really jump out, I know the points but he is surrounded by a great team.

Wolf is doing what he is doing behind a rotation of Tyson Barrie and Hanley.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I don't know. 4 goals don't really jump out, I know the points but he is surrounded by a great team.

Wolf is doing what he is doing behind a rotation of Tyson Barrie and Hanley.

It's more that Stankoven also has last years performance in the minds of journalists (and he's outperforming that pace this year). He does play on a good team but he's third in scoring on that team (ahead of guys like Hintz and Robertson).

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Wolfy is in tough against Stankoven, who kind of has the advantage that Mark Stone did against Gaudreau - he just barely qualifies as a rookie.

"a player must not have played more than 25 NHL games in any preceding seasons, nor in six or more NHL games in each of any two preceding seasons"

Yeah, he played 24 regular season games and 19 playoffs last year. Missed the regular season cutoff by a couple games, but if you add the playoff games then he would not qualify. Funny how for contracts, playoff games count towards game totals.

I am thinking that there is just going to have to be a campaign against Stankoven, as he should not be eligible.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Robbob

"a player must not have played more than 25 NHL games in any preceding seasons, nor in six or more NHL games in each of any two preceding seasons"

Yeah, he played 24 regular season games and 19 playoffs last year. Missed the regular season cutoff by a couple games, but if you add the playoff games then he would not qualify. Funny how for contracts, playoff games count towards game totals.

I am think there is just going to have to be a campaign against Stankoven, as he should not be eligible.

Similar to Mark Stone - he had 23 games in two seasons (4 and 19), plus a couple PO games in 2 seasons (and this was over a span of 3 years). Maybe this is payback/karma for Makarov's Calder.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It's more that Stankoven also has last years performance in the minds of journalists (and he's outperforming that pace this year). He does play on a good team but he's third in scoring on that team (ahead of guys like Hintz and Robertson).

Off topic, but I wonder if Roberston cost himself some serious money here taking that 4-year package.

[Ba'alzamon]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The power play goal to tie it last game was exactly what they haven't been doing (it was unit 2 but unit 1 looked just as good). Cross ice, quick movement, players moving their feet and finding open ice.

To be fair, the Islanders have a horrendous PK. So that's definitely a factor.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Off topic, but I wonder if Roberston cost himself some serious money here taking that 4-year package.

Doubt it, when he is up for renewal the cap will be 100 million or so. Somebody will give him 10% of cap. Even if they only give him the same percentage of the cap that he got when he signed he would get 9.4 million.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It's more that Stankoven also has last years performance in the minds of journalists (and he's outperforming that pace this year). He does play on a good team but he's third in scoring on that team (ahead of guys like Hintz and Robertson).

Let's not forget Mitchkov too. Those two have a lot more media following them than Wolf.