Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Andrew]

Is Trudeau Santa?
Gst freeze

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

Maybe it feels like whack-a-mole because you're having such a difficult time coming up with any explanation for why you think Trudeau bears zero responsibility for the state of Canada's economy.

I think the reason he has trouble taking any accountability for his leadership over the last decade is because he has people like you to carry water for him absolving him of any blame for why Canada has become so utterly uninvestable.

Chud posts gap widening Trudeau face. Clearly it's not the reason why the gap started to widen at that point in time.

This is the kind of response as to why Maple MAGA thinks they're emboldened. Maple MAGA moves goalposts and asks why Trudeau is crashing the economy over the last 10 years.

You can't have a conversation with these people. All they want to do is gaslight their greivances from one supposed problem to the next, without admitting they have no idea why the complexities of the economy are what they are.

Let me ask Maple MAGA - What did Trudeau do upon his election in October 2015 to specifically widen the gap, as the chud with the Trudeau face graph gaslights?

[Yamer]

In a perfect world, I would expect the tax shortfall to be made up through higher corporate rates and increased taxes on the wealthy. Or maybe make churches start to pay their fair share.

You know, the people who aren't struggling.

[Looch City]

My vote has been officially bought. Go Trudeau!

[GGG]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Sweet, free money! Thanks for finally doing something useful Justin.

The tax holiday should be extended to all food items and not just prepared food. I'm not necessarily sure that booze is the best choice but whatever.

This is just a terrible policy.

We already give out GST rebate checks to people .

We already don’t have GST on most food. This just adds prepared food to the list. (I don’t have a particular problem with this add though).

Most of this list appears targeted around Christmas presents. If there is one thing that doesn’t need incentivizing it’s alcohol and consumerism consumption at Christmas.

Then the working tax check in April is pretty bull#### to. 150k cutoff. You are not making it universal but also not cutting of the threshold at a reasonable point in time. The lack of Taxing middle class people is hurting the ability to deliver services.

At least when Harper bought votes by canceling the children’s dependent tax rebates and sending out checks directly it was revenue neutral.

Also from an inflation standpoint this is reckless. We don’t need retail stimulation. This just burns powder from whenever we hit a recession.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Where do you want to cut public spending to make up for the tax shortfall? Or should we just grow the deficit more?

I'm getting old so I don't care anymore as long as I'm benefitting from the decisions. I'll be leaching off the government systems soon and the future generations can figure out how to fix the budget and deficits.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Chud posts gap widening Trudeau face. Clearly it's not the reason why the gap started to widen at that point in time.

This is the kind of response as to why Maple MAGA thinks they're emboldened. Maple MAGA moves goalposts and asks why Trudeau is crashing the economy over the last 10 years.

You can't have a conversation with these people. All they want to do is gaslight their greivances from one supposed problem to the next, without admitting they have no idea why the complexities of the economy are what they are.

Let me ask Maple MAGA - What did Trudeau do upon his election in October 2015 to specifically widen the gap, as the chud with the Trudeau face graph gaslights?

What's a 'Chud' or 'Maple MAGA'?

[GullFoss]

lmao - the Doug Ford playbook. Shows how desperate they both are to buy you own votes with your own money. Goes to show how low iq leaders can be found across the political spectrum

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Chud posts gap widening Trudeau face. Clearly it's not the reason why the gap started to widen at that point in time.

This is the kind of response as to why Maple MAGA thinks they're emboldened. Maple MAGA moves goalposts and asks why Trudeau is crashing the economy over the last 10 years.

You can't have a conversation with these people. All they want to do is gaslight their greivances from one supposed problem to the next, without admitting they have no idea why the complexities of the economy are what they are.

Let me ask Maple MAGA - What did Trudeau do upon his election in October 2015 to specifically widen the gap, as the chud with the Trudeau face graph gaslights?

I'm not sure if you're lumping me in with Maple MAGA here. I don't agree with almost anything that GullFoss says, but I do have a very difficult time understanding how you're refusing to acknowledge that clearly some of Trudeau's policies have contributed to the continued widening of the gap being referenced. By doing so, you are completely absolving his administration of any accountability, which is so mind-boggling to me.

But if you are including me in your "Maple MAGA" tirade, I'm happy to continue to address why it's also clear you have no idea how the complexities of the economy have been affected by Trudeau's incompetence.

[DFO]

In the investment arena which level of government is the bigger driver - Feds or Provincial? For example I don’t blame the Federal government for the loss of Billions worth of renewables investments here in Alberta.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

I'm not sure if you're lumping me in with Maple MAGA here. I don't agree with almost anything that GullFoss says, but I do have a very difficult time understanding how you're refusing to acknowledge that clearly some of Trudeau's policies have contributed to the continued widening of the gap being referenced. By doing so, you are completely absolving his administration of any accountability, which is so mind-boggling to me.

But if you are including me in your "Maple MAGA" tirade, I'm happy to continue to address why it's also clear you have no idea how the complexities of the economy have been affected by Trudeau's incompetence.

And once again, after drawing it out with crayons, you're moving goalposts.

Original post was graph showing Trudeau's face as the reason for widening gap. It's simply more complicated economic factors than simply electing a new PM 12 months after the gap started to widen. The gap started to widen in 2014 with the oil crash and other economic factors before Trudeau was elected. That's the point. That's it. Black and white.

Arguing what 10 years of Trudeau's economic legacy is another story, one you seem to keep deflecting and avoiding to for some weird reason as if it helps with the Trudeau pile-on.

Let's see if you can get acknowledge this fact. If you can, then we can progress from there.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by spotthefan

I do like the pause on GST on certain items. This should be made permanent for children's items and groceries.

I don't.

I didn't like the permanent GST cuts when Harper did it and I don't like the targeted temporary GST cuts that Trudeau (or Singh since he seems to want to take credit for it like he does everything ) is doing. Stop cutting taxes on consumption, if you want a tax holiday make it an income tax holiday.

[Fuzz]

The graph also tends to paint the picture that it's Canada falling behind, when in reality, Canada is still doing well in global comparisons, it's just that the US is much better than everyone else. We are not America. We will never be America. Let's stop pretending that's our goal.






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[Locke]

Originally Posted by spotthefan

Trudeau government to announce GST holiday and $250 Cheques

Didn't like the Ralph Bucks or Ford Bucks but if one side can do it so can the other.

I do like the pause on GST on certain items. This should be made permanent for children's items and groceries.

Oh F### right OFF! This is going to make filing GST returns way more difficult!

Won't some PLEASE think about the Accountants! You're going to lose all of that GST savings to my invoicing!

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Leave it to Maple MAGA to argue himself into a hot mess. Let me put it in crayon so you can understand:

The gap existed for a century. Chud puts a graph with the face of the guy he wants to #### as the break point. Doesn't realize the gap actually widens, as I furthered explained, that the 2014 oil crash just might have had something to do with it. In fact, it does.

But what can we expect from Maple MAGA seeing a graph with no context, and immediately blaming the PM? As per usual, a whole lot of vapid hot air.

You do realize that

(1) The chart is real gdp which measures changes in output, not price. That's why you don't see a shocking decline when oil prices declined in 2014/15...

(2) Canada's oil production has actually grown materially between 2015-2024, so would have actually been a driver of GDP growth

(3) Other countries where oil production has grown over this period has seen gdp per capita growth, not decline. Example...Saudi Arabia

(4) it's absurd to reason that a oil price decline that largely affects only a single province that composes 10% of the Country's population would materially impact the ability of the country to grow productivity over a decade and counting.

Based on your reasoning skills, you're just talking nonsense.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by spotthefan

Trudeau government to announce GST holiday and $250 Cheques

Didn't like the Ralph Bucks or Ford Bucks but if one side can do it so can the other.

I do like the pause on GST on certain items. This should be made permanent for children's items and groceries.

All you inflation haters know that this is inflationary policy, right?

It's actually kind of politically and economically stupid. Cutting GST gives suppliers profit-incentive to raise prices. And if voters hate anything, they hate inflation.

GGG nailed it. This is crap.

GST cut on Christmas trees? Do Christmas trees have positive externalities? Why is there no GST holiday on Menorahs? How about atheists, what do we get? Why can I avoid GST by buying premixed drinks but if I buy hard liquor and make my own cocktails I still pay it? These are exactly the kind of economic distortions a free-market society wants to avoid.

And of course, GST cuts preferentially help people who spend more. Children's toys? 5% discount doesn't help a low-income parent give their child a significantly better Christmas but for a wealthy family 5% off their Christmas gifts could add up to substantial chunk of change (in absolute terms).

It's poor use of the government's fiscal capacity and real fiscal conservatives should be tearing them to shreds for it.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

And once again, after drawing it out with crayons, you're moving goalposts.

Original post was graph showing Trudeau's face as the reason for widening gap. It's simply more complicated economic factors than simply electing a new PM 12 months after the gap started to widen. The gap started to widen in 2014 with the oil crash and other economic factors before Trudeau was elected. That's the point. That's it. Black and white.

Arguing what 10 years of Trudeau's economic legacy is another story, one you seem to keep deflecting and avoiding to for some weird reason as if it helps with the Trudeau pile-on.

Let's see if you can get acknowledge this fact. If you can, then we can progress from there.

It's a discussion, it's not moving goalposts when we're literally discussing the economy under Trudeau. Do I need to draw with crayons for you how you progress discourse?

But it's quite hilarious watching you tapdance around trying to not admit that Trudeau has had a negative effect on the economy, so maybe we can keep it going.

[MelBridgeman]

Dunning-Kruger effect !

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

The graph also tends to paint the picture that it's Canada falling behind, when in reality, Canada is still doing well in global comparisons, it's just that the US is much better than everyone else. We are not America. We will never be America. Let's stop pretending that's our goal.






https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...1990-2029).png

Is Trudeau running Japan as well?

[Torture]

Thanks TRUDEAU.