2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Weird no Frost but Farabee.

Torts sounds like he gave up on the player.

Farabee is 24, so he's perhaps not the ideal age or position for us, but I really like him. He's fast and skilled, but he's also a bit mean and pretty tough. Like the article says, he really needs a change of scenery.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think the issue is more contract amount and term for Gibson. he would need double retention for multiple years.

Really? 50% retention gets him to $3.2. Cap’s set to go up by ~$5M, maybe considerably more based on recent talk.

As LeBrun pointed out in his piece this morning, there are hockey executives who believe Gibson is still a ‘very good goaltender’.

I’m not sure he’s cooked just yet based on those comments. Admittedly, I don’t watch the Ducks and, for whatever it’s worth (not much), been a complete non factor in my fantasy hockey league for years, maybe he is cooked. Who knows. What I’ll say though is there have been more than a few goalies left for dead who’ve rebounded to show they’re not done

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Farabee is 24, so he's perhaps not the ideal age or position for us, but I really like him. He's fast and skilled, but he's also a bit mean and pretty tough. Like the article says, he really needs a change of scenery.

Farabee - ??? - Coronato feels like it would be a fun line.

Originally Posted by TOfan

Really? 50% retention gets him to $3.2. Cap’s set to go up by ~$5M, maybe considerably more based on recent talk.

As LeBrun pointed out in his piece this morning, there are hockey executives who believe Gibson is still a ‘very good goaltender’.

I’m not sure he’s cooked just yet based on those comments. Admittedly, I don’t watch the Ducks and, for whatever it’s worth (not much), been a complete non factor in my fantasy hockey league for years…..

The only expiring UFA contract the Oilers have over $1M is Skinner at $3M, the rest of their expiries are $1M or less which means you aren't really saving money because a replacement player costs the same amount.

Draisaitl needs a $5.5M raise and then Bouchard likely gets a $6M raise.

There goes all the salary cap expiries and the entire cap increase. Then they have McDavid's raise to worry about the season after.

Oilers can't really fit in even the $3.2M that Gibson would cost longer term if they retained, and that doesn't even consider the extra acquisition cost it would take to get Anaheim to retain a full 50% for 3 seasons.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Farabee - ??? - Coronato feels like it would be a fun line.

If you put a kuznetsov in between it sounds like a small naval fleet formation lol

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Really? 50% retention gets him to $3.2. Cap’s set to go up by ~$5M, maybe considerably more based on recent talk.

As LeBrun pointed out in his piece this morning, there are hockey executives who believe Gibson is still a ‘very good goaltender’.

I’m not sure he’s cooked just yet based on those comments. Admittedly, I don’t watch the Ducks and, for whatever it’s worth (not much), been a complete non factor in my fantasy hockey league for years, maybe he is cooked. Who knows. What I’ll say though is there have been more than a few goalies left for dead who’ve rebounded to show they’re not done

A single 1st won't get it done for 50% retention for 2 seasons after this season. Anaheim would be using the Markstrom deal as the base with a higher return expected with the 50% retention. Edmonton does not have the required assets to make it work and especially over the next two years with the contracts they have upcoming.

Perhaps 2026 1st, 2025 2nd from St. Louis, Savoie/Akey, Pickard???? Not sure that even is enough for Anaheim.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Farabee - ??? - Coronato feels like it would be a fun line.



The only expiring UFA contract the Oilers have over $1M is Skinner at $3M, the rest of their expiries are $1M or less which means you aren't really saving money because a replacement player costs the same amount.

Draisaitl needs a $5.5M raise and then Bouchard likely gets a $6M raise.

There goes all the salary cap expiries and the entire cap increase. Then they have McDavid's raise to worry about the season after.

Oilers can't really fit in even the $3.2M that Gibson would cost longer term if they retained, and that doesn't even consider the extra acquisition cost it would take to get Anaheim to retain a full 50% for 3 seasons.

That may all be true, today, but there are other moves the Oilers can make, and likely will make, over the next two years. There’s usually a way.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

A single 1st won't get it done for 50% retention for 2 seasons after this season. Anaheim would be using the Markstrom deal as the base with a higher return expected with the 50% retention. Edmonton does not have the required assets to make it work and especially over the next two years with the contracts they have upcoming.

Perhaps 2026 1st, 2025 2nd from St. Louis, Savoie/Akey, Pickard???? Not sure that even is enough for Anaheim.

How do we know what Anaheim wants? We don’t.

How much do they want to move Gibson?

I think it’s well acknowledged that the Flames could have held on to Zadorov and got more for him closer to the deadline but they decided to expedite the trade and did so.

Maybe a first is enough. I don’t think any of us are in position to say what some other team will or won’t do.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by TOfan

That may all be true, today, but there are other moves the Oilers can make, and likely will make, over the next two years. There’s usually a way.

As long as they have Nurse, and the high dollar they will be signing Bouchard for, coupled with the cost of the glitter twins they are screwed. Nurse contract is buyout proof and don't have any assets to trade it.

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by CFO

Kotkeniemi be a great pickup.

I have an irrational dislike of KK.
The Flames should respect this and stay away.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by TOfan

That may all be true, today, but there are other moves the Oilers can make, and likely will make, over the next two years. There’s usually a way.

Maybe the Oilers can make a move but the point is without making an additional move they wouldn't have space.

McDavid, Draisaitl, Bouchard, and Nurse aren't going anywhere and those 4 are going to cost about $46M combined next year.

Possible trade chips would be Ekholm, Hyman, RNH, Arvidsson, and Henrique but generally they aren't going to want to trade what they see as "value" assets.

The only real pieces they can move to make space are Kane ($5.125M) and Kulak ($2.75M).

It's possible for sure but when you look at their lack of cap flexibility, and their lack of tradeable future assets, it makes it a tough battle for them because they have to:

- Potentially pay the cost to dump Kane / Kulak
- Pay the extra assets to have Anaheim retain 50% x 3
- Pay the cost of acquiring Gibson itself (which has been rumoured not to be cheap)

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by TOfan

How do we know what Anaheim wants? We don’t.

How much do they want to move Gibson?

I think it’s well acknowledged that the Flames could have held on to Zadorov and got more for him closer to the deadline but they decided to expedite the trade and did so.

Maybe a first is enough. I don’t think any of us are in position to say what some other team will or won’t do.

The Ducks have a massive amount of cap space now and in the next few years. They are going to maximize their return. A first won't be enough with 50% retention, and other teams like the Hurricanes or Avalanche can offer far superior prospects along with the draft capital. Those are far superior destinations this year and until the end of his contract if he wants to win.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

As long as they have Nurse, and the high dollar they will be signing Bouchard for, coupled with the cost of the glitter twins they are screwed. Nurse contract is buyout proof and don't have any assets to trade it.

What about the other 16 or so (if you include McD, Draisatl, Hyman,RNH,Nurse,Ekholm,Bouchard,Skinner) spots?

There’s no way they can fit a $3.2M player for two years? How on earth are they going to ice a team? Keep in mind the same stuff has been said about the Leafs and the core four for years.

Teams find ways to make this stuff work every single year. I don’t think it’s out of the question.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Maybe the Oilers can make a move but the point is without making an additional move they wouldn't have space.

McDavid, Draisaitl, Bouchard, and Nurse aren't going anywhere and those 4 are going to cost about $46M combined next year.

Possible trade chips would be Ekholm, Hyman, RNH, Arvidsson, and Henrique but generally they are going to trade what they see as "value" assets.

The only real pieces they can move to make space are Kane ($5.125M) and Kulak ($2.75M).

Kane doesn't have any value, he is a known team cancer. An asset is likely attached to him to move that deal even with a year left. To retain Bouchard and with Draisaitl contract they will be adding over $10MM right off the start. Also have to replace Perry, Skinner, Ryan, Brown, Kapanen. We are also forgetting future Norris winner Ty Emberson needs to be re-upped.

The point is the window is this year and this year alone. They are screwed.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

The Ducks have a massive amount of cap space now and in the next few years. They are going to maximize their return. A first won't be enough with 50% retention, and other teams like the Hurricanes or Avalanche can offer far superior prospects along with the draft capital. Those are far superior destinations this year and until the end of his contract if he wants to win.

They might be able to offer more, but will they? If Gibson is a washed up bum, why would they?

My only point is, I don’t think we can, definitively, say what team will do, or won’t do, something. Whether it’s the Canes, Oilers, or Avalanche. Again, it’s in LeBrun’s article and one thing I will say definitively, he has a better grasp on this stuff than pretty much any person/fan reading this does.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by TOfan

What about the other 16 or so (if you include McD, Draisatl, Hyman,RNH,Nurse,Ekholm,Bouchard,Skinner) spots?

There’s no way they can fit a $3.2M player for two years? How on earth are they going to ice a team? Keep in mind the same stuff has been said about the Leafs and the core four for years.

Teams find ways to make this stuff work every single year. I don’t think it’s out by if the question.

They aren't gaining anything. The core of Hyman, RNH, Nurse, Ekholm is falling off hard and they aren't going anywhere. Bouchard plays the game like he will completely mail it in after he gets his big contract, already most nights he doesn't seem to give a rip. They have to backfill the rest of the spots with league minimum players and have no draft capital or prospect pipeline to improve that portion of the lineup. Could probably make it work but at the expense of actually improving your team.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Kane doesn't have any value, he is a known team cancer. An asset is likely attached to him to move that deal even with a year left. To retain Bouchard and with Draisaitl contract they will be adding over $10MM right off the start. Also have to replace Perry, Skinner, Ryan, Brown, Kapanen. We are also forgetting future Norris winner Ty Emberson needs to be re-upped.

The point is the window is this year and this year alone. They are screwed.

Well, if they’re as screwed as you’ve put it, I’ll be interested to see if McDavid resigns.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

He is tied 5th for points and a plus 10, think they would rather keep him seems like the perfect 3C for them.

Maybe they would rather keep him, but they are up against the cap and if they want to make moves, dollars have to move out.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Well, if they’re as screwed as you’ve put it, I’ll be interested to see if McDavid resigns.

Me too actually

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

What about the other 16 or so (if you include McD, Draisatl, Hyman,RNH,Nurse,Ekholm,Bouchard,Skinner) spots?

There’s no way they can fit a $3.2M player for two years? How on earth are they going to ice a team? Keep in mind the same stuff has been said about the Leafs and the core four for years.

Teams find ways to make this stuff work every single year. I don’t think it’s out of the question.

Well they fit Holloway and Broberg so I see your point.

The fact that they are currently over 75 million with about 17 million left to sign Bouchard, one other dman and 5 other forwards is probably a reason why 3.2 million would be tough, even if they had the assets to acquire said player.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Well they fit Holloway and Broberg so I see your point.

The fact that they are currently over 75 million with about 17 million left to sign Bouchard, one other dman and 5 other forwards is probably a reason why 3.2 million would be tough, even if they had the assets to acquire said player.

Holloway and Broberg are a different issue. Could they have resigned them? Maybe. I’ll go out on a limb and say neither you or I were in the room when the Oilers made their decision.

Maybe they would rather have had the cap flexibility for this year? Somehow I doubt they slapped their foreheads, sunk in their chairs, and said ‘whelp, we sure are screwed!’

Again, year after year we see teams that appear to be backed into a corner and, lo and behold, they find away to get the flexibility they need. That said, the opposite can also be true.