I do think it's important for the west and for America to send a serious message that needs to be delivered. Far too much has been weak from the west/NATO/ US perspective.
I recall a piece I saw on Putin from a top Putin/Russia specialists where she described what reports she had on 2014 Crimea/Syria and Obama's famous redline. Obama ended up doing jack **** in that regard and this Putin specialist (Julia Ioffe) said something that strick. His weakness confirmed what Putin already thought about Obama and that he was a stupid, weak, black man who could be manipulated. (Her words, not mine)
During this entire war with Ukraine, Biden has come off as very careful, weak, scared and fearful in a lot of ways. Some of it may be justified but some of it may be that he is also just old, weak, not 100% there and pre-occupied with other things as well.
Hopefully he shows the full force of American power that he can in the next 2 months and doesn't come off as just an old, weak senile man in Putin's eyes
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The escalation occurred once North Korea entered the war. Russia winning at this point is the same as North Korea winning. If the Russian/North Korean alliance is successful in Ukraine, a North Korean invasion of South Korea is probably in the cards with Russian help. Maybe not immediately, but within our life time.
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Yeah, I'm not liking this at all. Anything that results in us getting closer to a nuclear exchange is a bad thing for me, because it means we're all done. Russia invading in the first place moved us closer to the usage of nukes given their arsenal. And this approval by the US moves us closer to the first use and subsequent back and forth responses some more.
Yeah, I'm not liking this at all. Anything that results in us getting closer to a nuclear exchange is a bad thing for me, because it means we're all done. Russia invading in the first place moved us closer to the usage of nukes given their arsenal. And this approval by the US moves us closer to the first use and subsequent back and forth responses some more.
What benefit does Russia have by starting a nuclear Holocaust?
Yeah, I'm not liking this at all. Anything that results in us getting closer to a nuclear exchange is a bad thing for me, because it means we're all done. Russia invading in the first place moved us closer to the usage of nukes given their arsenal. And this approval by the US moves us closer to the first use and subsequent back and forth responses some more.
Don't buy into Putin's BS, Putin is the 3rd biggest con artist on the planet only behind Trump and religion. Putin knows a nuclear exchange will end Russia but not likely the USA
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What benefit does Russia have by starting a nuclear Holocaust?
None, but I worry about countries moving closer and closer to using them, misinterpretations of moves from either side and ultimately, a decision we all suffer from.
Yeah, I'm not liking this at all. Anything that results in us getting closer to a nuclear exchange is a bad thing for me, because it means we're all done. Russia invading in the first place moved us closer to the usage of nukes given their arsenal. And this approval by the US moves us closer to the first use and subsequent back and forth responses some more.
If you want Nuclear Holocaust, let Russia win or force Ukraine to give up the Donbas. Any country that sees that will start producing nuclear weapons for their own self defence. With how weak the US and NATO have been, I wouldn't blame them one bit. If Ukraine is forced to peace, they will have nukes within months.
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Uh... Lance Uppercut.
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Finnish Foreign Minister Elina Valtonen urges Western leaders to halt further dialogue with Putin after recent phone call between German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and the Russian leader. https://twitter.com/user/status/1858507183471620433
Apparently, the US is lifting restrictions on the use of ATACMS on Russian territory. It seems that the introduction of North Korean troops into Ukraine and the latest massive Russian attack on Ukrainian infrastructure on the night of November 17 could have influenced this https://twitter.com/user/status/1858499655211847875
Iran supports russia with drones - Europe's reaction - sanctions. North Korea supports russia with ammunition - Europe's reaction - none. North Korea supports russia with ballistic missiles - Europe's reaction - none. https://twitter.com/user/status/1858195361099076046
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If you want Nuclear Holocaust, let Russia win or force Ukraine to give up the Donbas. Any country that sees that will start producing nuclear weapons for their own self defence. With how weak the US and NATO have been, I wouldn't blame them one bit. If Ukraine is forced to peace, they will have nukes within months.
Yep.
Iran gave up its program in the deal with Obama. Got screwed by Trump tearing it up.
Ukraine gives up nukes, loses Crimea, gets attacked by Russia, about to be betrayed by Trump.
North Korea, has nukes, invades Ukraine.
Trump is the parent who acquiesces to whatever child is throwing a tantrum. Doesn't understand incentives at all. Because the lesson from his behavior for nation-states is that if you don't have nukes you don't have security.
If we want to maintain non-proliferation we need to reverse that. Non-nuclear states need non-nuclear protection provided by the big nuclear powers.
Also, increased NATO support gives Putin and opportunity to spin things a bit. He can blame NATO disrespecting Russia's zone of influence for a failing to take Ukraine.
I would support NATO strikes on targets within Ukraine and tell Russia that we're the ones who get to draw the red lines now.
Ukraine is being devastated while the world watches out of fear. I hope the Ukrainians don't give up hope and continue defending their sovereignty and the West gives them all the support.
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Yeah, I'm not liking this at all. Anything that results in us getting closer to a nuclear exchange is a bad thing for me, because it means we're all done. Russia invading in the first place moved us closer to the usage of nukes given their arsenal. And this approval by the US moves us closer to the first use and subsequent back and forth responses some more.
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Only my opinion, but this was always the plan of the leaders in the west. There was zero intent on ever doing everything necessary for Ukraine and their brave people. Show support with words, provide just enough equipment and money (but not too much) to hold Russia back from completely overtaking too much Ukrainian territory. Continue this regardless the number of Ukrainian deaths, and suffering of their people until the public opinion begins to turn. Objectives are to fill the coffers of the elite in the game, while bleeding Russia as much and for as long as they can.
Make these two statements align logically for yourself.
The top one is appeasement. You may be CPs biggest Neville Chamberlain fan.
Weak will, weak character. Especially only a week from remembrance day. Do you remember nothing?
Short version: it's probably not going to be great, but it's also not obvious what exactly is going to happen. Biden could also still do quite a bit.
I would also personally add that Russia's economy is in deep, obvious trouble, and going to North Korea for help can also be seen as a sign of desperation.
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I would also personally add that Russia's economy is in deep, obvious trouble, and going to North Korea for help can also be seen as a sign of desperation.
We've been hearing that since the start of the war, but they don't seem to be slowing down at all
We've been hearing that since the start of the war, but they don't seem to be slowing down at all
How so? They are experiencing much higher inflation, their currency isnt even being accepted by allies in trades and they're bartering foodstuff, they're export capacity has been neutered... Seems like it's starting to slow them down pretty considerably.
We've been hearing that since the start of the war, but they don't seem to be slowing down at all
The thing with Russia, it's in their culture and blood to be resilient and suffering is worn like a badge of honour. They have a martyrdom complex. In most Western countries, if sanctions took avocados off the shelves, people would be up in arms against the government. Russians will boil and eat their shoes before they cry to anyone. The same historical and cultural environment that created an environment for aggression and authoritarianism, also created some very strong willed and tough people. It's also why in general I don't think they fear escalation the same way countries in the West do.
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The thing with Russia, it's in their culture and blood to be resilient and suffering is worn like a badge of honour. They have a martyrdom complex. In most Western countries, if sanctions took avocados off the shelves, people would be up in arms against the government. Russians will boil and eat their shoes before they cry to anyone. The same historical and cultural environment that created an environment for aggression and authoritarianism, also created some very strong willed and tough people. It's also why in general I don't think they fear escalation the same way countries in the West do.
I'd give up Quebec or PEI in a heartbeat if someone sanctioned our avocadoes.
