American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You entered this conversation with the following:




You then try to move off RFK, saying it doesn’t matter who brings these problems to the table… when it absolutely matters, because “the fix” is just as important as the problem, and his fixes (and many of the things he has deemed a problem) are incredibly terrible.

Like, hell, you just posted a bunch of articles about tomato paste being counted as a vegetable without any realization of the fact that it was the USDA trying to restrict things like salt and alter pizza ingredients so they had at least some nutritional value for children’s meals and it was the REPUBLICANS who are now in power who effectively kyboshed those changes lol.

You’re literally blaming the people trying to protect Americans from diseases, drugs, bad medication, food borne illnesses, etc, and saying they need a “shaking up” while saying the people who actively work against those protections are the ones to do it.

Your position just isn’t logic based, at all. It’s very easy to recognize a problem, which you’ve done (congrats) but then you’ve made the classic mistake of blaming the people trying to fix or contain the problem and turned to the people making it worse for answers. Total nonsense.

Why is it that just one side is corrupt and causing the concerns over the last, I dunno, 40-50 years? Is food produced and grown in Liberal California a lot healthier and overall a better system than say Conservative Florida?

Have Democrats or Republicans instituted a policy on fundraising donations from pharma, agro, food companies and more? I dunno but I doubt it. In your opinion, have liberal or conservative town and cities done a better job of the opioid crisis in America with a whole host of FDA approved drugs? I think that score ends up in a statistical tie most likely. NO NHL loser point awarded here.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Why is it that just one side is corrupt and causing the concerns over the last, I dunno, 40-50 years? Is food produced and grown in Liberal California a lot healthier and overall a better system than say Conservative Florida?

Have Democrats or Republicans instituted a policy on fundraising donations from pharma, agro, food companies and more? I dunno but I doubt it. In your opinion, have liberal or conservative town and cities done a better job of the opioid crisis in America with a whole host of FDA approved drugs? I think that score ends up in a statistical tie most likely. NO NHL loser point awarded here.

I don’t know, you’re the one who blamed the Dems for doing nothing, called them stupid, and then cited Republicans as the ones to “shake it up” despite them being in charge of some of the very issues you’re highlighting in the articles you’re using to highlight them.

And now, because people are actually pushing you to think deeper about your position instead of the usual surface level nonsense that’s poorly reasoned with nonsensical conclusions you deny making, you’re blaming people for trying to “pin you down” politically or that them highlighting the fact that your position is poorly thought out is actually them just denying any problems exist.

It’s like clockwork.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Why is it that just one side is corrupt and causing the concerns over the last, I dunno, 40-50 years? Is food produced and grown in Liberal California a lot healthier and overall a better system than say Conservative Florida?

Have Democrats or Republicans instituted a policy on fundraising donations from pharma, agro, food companies and more? I dunno but I doubt it. In your opinion, have liberal or conservative town and cities done a better job of the opioid crisis in America with a whole host of FDA approved drugs? I think that score ends up in a statistical tie most likely. NO NHL loser point awarded here.

Did you click or read any link I posted? The Democrats have been trying for years, and the Republicans keep blocking these things. You mentioned Insulin, and I had just posted one regarding that. Here, I'll just give you the headline this time(this includes insulin).

REMINDER: Every Single Republican Voted Against Lowering Costs for Americans

https://democrats.org/news/reminder-...r-americans-2/


It's not a ####ing tie!



You've posted that you are a Conservative several times. So I don't need to pin you down. I just need to point out that the factions you generally support without questioning why you support them tend to be against all the things you support.

[KelVarnsen]

Do food regulations need changes? Yes

Is RJK Jr the right person to lead this changes? No.

[Fuzz]

Will you ever get enough of congress and the senate to make meaningful changes that costs corporations money? LOL.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Did you click or read any link I posted? The Democrats have been trying for years, and the Republicans keep blocking these things. You mentioned Insulin, and I had just posted one regarding that. Here, I'll just give you the headline this time(this includes insulin).



https://democrats.org/news/reminder-...r-americans-2/


It's not a ####ing tie!



You've posted that you are a Conservative several times. So I don't need to pin you down. I just need to point out that the factions you generally support without questioning why you support them tend to be against all the things you support.

Yes I did, I am also very familiar with these issues. I hear ya 100% Republicans are corrupt as can be on a whole host of these issues, so are democrats! I don't get what you can't process about that. Take whatever issues you want to debate and apply that principle to Republicans and Democrats and it's amazing how quickly things balance out.

Trust me when you take out bias, it's amazing how quickly you see corruption. Republicans are 1000% bozos in this department but are we seeing large volumes of Democrats over the years coming and really gunning for food companies, drug providers and insurance companies in America? Can you name anything? Any of these companies in NY, NJ and California shaking in their boots for fear of game changing rules coming from Democratic governors, senators and more? Doubtful. Anybody think lawmakers are telling these guys what to do or is it the other way around?

I may be a Canadian conservatives in some ways and I may be Republican in others and I am pretty liberal in some areas too. I am also hell bent of rooting out corruption and not being blind to certain things.

I can't be pinned down cause I like to think independently. I am literally telling you that big agro, pharma, insurance companies and food companies need to be seriously investigated and top, white, male executives in suits need to be jailed for crimes they have committed. This isn't some radical right wing concept. Not everything is party lines. It's ok to think outside the box and criticize your own party in politics. I literally do it all the time cause the people I vote for, don't go hard enough on making improvements and are worried about the games and wasting time.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Looch City

It's all about body autonomy in the end.

Vaccinations should be my choice.

Similarly, abortions should be my choice.

Wait, no...

Many vaccinations are your choice. Several childhood vaccines must be mandatory to protect the herd. Or I also have no problem with you not vaccinating you/yours if you remain separate from society. So no public schools, clubs, sports, etc

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I can't be pinned down cause I like to think independently.

lol lord almighty.

[Ozy_Flame]

People who actually think independently don't advertise it as a personal quality. Just like calling yourself intellectual, good looking, or a leader.

People who say things like this out loud tend to project like they want attention.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I am frustrating to you because you think I am coming from this in a political angle and you think I am some Conservative, anti vax, right wing nut job. That is your BIAS showing.

I will repeat again that this is not a pro Trump, RFK thing cause it's not really comprehending for you. The food system and healthcare/ drug providers in Canada are almost as bad as Canada and getting worse! That is not an American political issue. Let them all die the worst possible death known to man on both sides of the political aisle. All PIGS have the same noses

Just because you can't pin me down in a political thread does not mean that the richest country in the world, with the best minds, most expensive healthcare system, world class scientists and researchers and more, comes in a pretty pathetic ranking in terms of overall health and life expectancy.


I will move on from this topic as I seriously seem to be arguing that basic foods containing 400 ingredients are considered "safe" by the FDA and that vaping is somehow "appropriate for public health" and that a country where insulin costs approached something like $30 billion a year is considered normal. Absolutely nothing that can be improved in this system according to multiple posters. No funny business happening here, everything and everybody in government is on the up and up and on both sides of the political spectrum too. How lovely that is.

Just that one, actually.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

When have vaccinations not been by choice?

Get vaccinated or you’re fired is compulsion. It might be compulsion that you think is warranted, but it’s compulsion.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Get vaccinated or you’re fired is compulsion. It might be compulsion that you think is warranted, but it’s compulsion.

Are all Safety rules compulsions? Wear a hard had? Follow operating procedures? What about having to work in an office instead of at home. These aren’t compulsions so much as terms of employment.

[dino7c]

Trump just appointed a pedo to a high ranking position

there is no defence for team red, you are on the side of pedo enabling...own it, no debate needed. You support pedos in government because own the libs

[SebC]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Get vaccinated or you’re fired is compulsion. It might be compulsion that you think is warranted, but it’s compulsion.

No, compulsion is holding you down and stabbing you with a needle. I would perhaps agree with you if we had a right to work, but we don't. In our society (and in American society, this is even more true), we have deemed that employment is a privilege.

[dino7c]

"wear a shirt and pants or don't work here"

but mah freedumbs

[Barnet Flame]

I’m willing to compromise.

I’ll wear a shirt or pants, but never both.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

I’m willing to compromise.

I’ll wear a shirt or pants, but never both.

What kind of compromise is that?? Everyone knows its shirt, pants and shoes.

Now...pick 1.

[Barnet Flame]

Christ, I’m glad I don’t work for you.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

Christ, I’m glad I don’t work for you.

You wish you worked for me. Thats as casual as office work gets.

Plus we shoot pool and get dinner on Fridays.

[Barnet Flame]

Can I post on CP all day?