2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by My2Cents

I am fine trading Backlund if someone offers a lot. But I would expect its a case where he is worth more to the flames than the market. He is worth more than a second or whatever you would get.

Better let him ride out his career here and go down as a Flame legend.

He negotiated a full NMC for a reason, so I doubt he wants to go anywhere. Especially with kids in school.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Several pages ago the deal some of us were tossing around was Pospisil as the add from the Flames end. Personally I would make that deal. Agreed it is similar to the Lindholm/Hanifin swap getting 2 former high picks you hope can pop.

Andersson + Pospisil for Byram and Cozens? I would take that deal and run to the bank.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Several pages ago the deal some of us were tossing around was Pospisil as the add from the Flames end. Personally I would make that deal. Agreed it is similar to the Lindholm/Hanifin swap getting 2 former high picks you hope can pop.

If I were to guess the Sabres would be looking for something like,

To BUF
Andersson
Coleman
Pick (2nd/3rd rounder perhaps)

To CGY
Cozens
Byram

I know there has been a lot of discussions about value of Cozens, but it is pretty close to value of Andersson due to age and position. With Byram being added, and with Colemans value, I think the Flames need to add something to get it done.

Wonder if there could be something done around Byram and Andersson a different way,

To BUF
Andersson
2025 1st (NJ)

To CGY
Byram
Helenius

Maybe there is other pieces that could move with this, I.e. Krebs, Rooney, other lower value picks.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

He negotiated a full NMC for a reason, so I doubt he wants to go anywhere. Especially with kids in school.

Agreed.

Backlund was in position last year to, basically, pick his spot and he chose to stay. I’m sure he also had some pretty frank discussions with Conroy on the plan and direction of the club.

[Erick Estrada]

Backs has earned the right to retire playing for just on organization or chase a cup if he so wishes. The fact that he re-signed with the Flames tells me he plans to retire a Flame. Conny probably isn't even going to consider moving Backlund unless the player's camp initiates trade talk.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

If I were to guess the Sabres would be looking for something like,

To BUF
Andersson
Coleman
Pick (2nd/3rd rounder perhaps)

To CGY
Cozens
Byram

Wow I really hope the sabres are looking for that. But if they were, we absolutely shouldnt be turning it down.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Several pages ago the deal some of us were tossing around was Pospisil as the add from the Flames end. Personally I would make that deal. Agreed it is similar to the Lindholm/Hanifin swap getting 2 former high picks you hope can pop.

Me too. Pospisil may have peaked early. Add him and it's really like Hamilton/Ferland for Lindholm/Hanifin. Do we have a prospect that won't sign?

[TheIronMaiden]

I friggin love Calgary Puck.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Cozens isn't comparable to Lindholm.

Lindholm had better underlying metric to show he was about to pop. He also got carried by some very talented players here.

The issue with Cozens is that has shown significant regression after a career year, while other players have bounced back. It's not for a lack of opportunity.

He also has a 7.1M price tag going forward, if he was on a bridge deal or expiring contract that is different.

We also don't have anyone to carry him on a line at the moment either.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Cozens isn't comparable to Lindholm.

Lindholm had better underlying metric to show he was about to pop. He also got carried by some very talented players here.

The issue with Cozens is that has shown significant regression after a career year, while other players have bounced back. It's not for a lack of opportunity.

He also has a 7.1M price tag going forward, if he was on a bridge deal or expiring contract that is different.

We also don't have anyone to carry him on a line at the moment either.

All very good points.

But I think Conroy (and mostly Murray) want Calgary to be as competitive as possible, so is willing to risk taking a young player that has shown great promise in the past. Let's face it, if Cozens was still scoring 70 points he wouldn't be available. If Calgary wants a young centre, and they clearly do, this may be the only way to get one. And thanks to Wolf, the draft doesn't look promising to get that much needed centre these days.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

All very good points.

But I think Conroy (and mostly Murray) want Calgary to be as competitive as possible, so is willing to risk taking a young player that has shown great promise in the past. Let's face it, if Cozens was still scoring 70 points he wouldn't be available. If Calgary wants a young centre, and they clearly do, this may be the only way to get one. And thanks to Wolf, the draft doesn't look promising to get that much needed centre these days.

I get that, but we also have 2 awful contracts on the books right now for 5 and 7 more years. It's a big risk to add a 3rd one. Never mind the ice time you have to give the player.

[stemit14]

I like the comparison of the Lindholm trade and the mentions of Necas as an example of a young center ready to pop and reach their potential. This would be the hope with Cozens and I do think it would be worth the risk.

There are cautionary examples as well though. I think both Seth Jones and Ryan Johansen fit the mold of young players that were traded under the assumption that they needed a change of scenery and would pop once they moved. Turned out they were what they were. They never lived up to their contracts on new teams.

Not sure what category Cozens would fall into but there are examples of both.

[TheIronMaiden]

I think a lot of people are obsessed with the idea that players are only good if they jump off the page at 18,19,20.

Barkov for example never proved he was a legit 1st line center until he was 23.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I think a lot of people are obsessed with the idea that players are only good if they jump off the page at 18,19,20.

Barkov for example never proved he was a legit 1st line center until he was 23.

And if Cozens had already proven he was a 1st line centre - he wouldn't be available.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I like the comparison of the Lindholm trade and the mentions of Necas as an example of a young center ready to pop and reach their potential. This would be the hope with Cozens and I do think it would be worth the risk.

There are cautionary examples as well though. I think both Seth Jones and Ryan Johansen fit the mold of young players that were traded under the assumption that they needed a change of scenery and would pop once they moved. Turned out they were what they were. They never lived up to their contracts on new teams.

Not sure what category Cozens would fall into but there are examples of both.

Necas was available all summer, and he even got bridged by Carolina. Think teams are cautious with some of these guys.

If Cozens was to sign today, no way he gets 7.1 a year. He is likely bridged as well.

This really feels like Dion to me, Dion signed the big deal and fell off a cliff. I mean if Buffalo wants a mishmash like we got for him sure.

Kuzmenko/Rooney/Pachal/Klapka for Cozens and a prospect.

[CliffFletcher]

The Sabres are desperate to improve now. Even with Cozens floundering, I don’t see how they’ll be a better team this season if they lose their #2C with nobody to step in and replace him.

I really doubt Cozens is on the table at all. The Sabres have one of the deepest stables of prospects in the league, and a full load of picks in the coming drafts. That’s what they’ll move in a trade.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The Sabres are desperate to improve now. Even with Cozens floundering, I don’t see how they’ll be a better team this season if they lose their #2C with nobody to step in and replace him.

I really doubt Cozens is on the table at all. The Sabres have one of the deepest stables of prospects in the league, and a full load of picks in the coming drafts. That’s what they’ll move in a trade.

Which would work for me. Would love for Helenius and their 1st round pick to be on the table in that case.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Necas was available all summer, and he even got bridged by Carolina. Think teams are cautious with some of these guys.

If Cozens was to sign today, no way he gets 7.1 a year. He is likely bridged as well.

This really feels like Dion to me, Dion signed the big deal and fell off a cliff. I mean if Buffalo wants a mishmash like we got for him sure.

Kuzmenko/Rooney/Pachal/Klapka for Cozens and a prospect.

A streaky winger and 3 basically replacement players? For Cozens and a prospect? Cozens may or may not become what Buffalo hoped for, but they're not trading him for 4 players who have less goals combined than he does, and 1 of whom is UFA after this season, and then adding a prospect on top of that.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Ped

A streaky winger and 3 basically replacement players? For Cozens and a prospect? Cozens may or may not become what Buffalo hoped for, but they're not trading him for 4 players who have less goals combined than he does, and 1 of whom is UFA after this season, and then adding a prospect on top of that.

It was a joke; I was building our version of Stajan/Hagman/Mayers/Cole.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

I look at teams like Buffalo and Ottawa and Columbus etc… and they’re clearly lacking an ethos and driving player ethic. Players like Backlund have value beyond what he does on the ice. The youngsters on the team still need him as a role model.

If you trade him, you’ll just end up looking for a player like him.

Yep, and Rasmus is the same kind of player on the Flames. You see it when teammates talk about either of these guys and shipping one out will have negative impacts on the culture.