American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by GGG

No it isn’t.

Dont eat processed foods. The negative health affects from the high sodium, high sugar, high fat, low fiber nature of the product is far worse than what addictive you are worrying about.

What food that you believe is healthy as an additive that you want to remove?

One additive that could be dropped would be Carrageenan. It is often used in packages foods that should be considered as healthy or healthier like yogurts, dairy alternatives, cheeses, etc.

[KelVarnsen]

If you believe in healthy living, why would you support someone who is anti vaccine?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GGG

I’d disagree that homemade food is more expensive and I’d disagree that people don’t have time to cook. There are tons of homemade meals that take 20-30 minutes.

Organic is a waste of your money though.

I'm not talking about cooking specifically. I cook pretty much every meal from scratch, but it is easier for me because I mostly work from a home office and don't have to add commute time often. My wife though, gets up at 5 AM and usually doesn't get home until 7 PM. If she was a single parent, I don't think it would be an option for her. And there are a lot of families where this is an issue for both parents (or single parents).

I'm talking about having to go out and get fresh ingredients. A lot of people can only find time once a week or every two weeks to buy food, and perishable items often don't last that long. They also have to buy in bulk to save money.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

The correct answer to ethical and healthy diet is not organic but locally sourced. In rural AB areas this should probably not be too difficult or expensive, relatively speaking. Even here in ruralish IL if your grocery budget from supermarkets was X, you locally sourced food budget will be 4X. So it's mostly a diet for virtue signaling rich people. 'Organic' label is essentially a scam.

What about "eat local" is healthy and ethical?

It is FAR more energy intensive to eat locally than to grow things in areas where they naturally thrive without fertilizers/industrial farming.

A strawberry grown in Columbia will likely be hand farmed (no machinery emissions) and with a much lower intensity of pesticides and fertilizers, as it's grown in a habit it naturally thrives in.

Container ship emissions are absolutely negligible. The flat of berries is emitting more on your way from the grocery store/farmer's market to your house.

We should grow things in the parts of the world where they naturally thrive so we get higher yields per land unit, resulting in less deforestation and habitat destruction, as well as lower energy inputs to production reducing food related emissions.

[Sliver]

This food conversation is the most boring topic in the history of CP.

[Brendone]

Originally Posted by Sliver

This food conversation is the most boring topic in the history of CP.

Electrical code requirement to change a light bulb was pretty bad, but maybe it was more stupid than boring?

[Wormius]

Turning away from the food conversation. Biden has been granted the same presidential immunity, and with one and a half months to make good use of it, why is he sitting on his hands while Trump shapes America into something more ludicrous than Idiocracy?

[dino7c]

Mods if I ever have a politician in my avatar please ban my account

Also, Hero of the Trumpers RFK wanted to join the Harris campaign but she wouldn't gift him a position

[EldrickOnIce]

Obviously it's better that we consume products/claims not evaluated by the FDA?

[curves2000]

I think in this situation some people may be a little upset as to some of the basic messaging of what RFK and people who want better for the USA in terms of food, are saying. I am not a follower of RFK or a big fan or anything. I do know that America is probably the worst in the world for their food supply. The American lifestyle and food system is making it's way all over the world and it's having drastic affects on the health and wellbeing of other countries at the same time. The level of corruption between industry and agencies like the FDA is unreal. Big business like food companies and drug companies really just bully through the FDA.

The FDA has become effectively a marketing arm for a lot of these companies. If you look at vaping and e-cig products, people actually believe these claims by Tabaco companies and the FDA. The official line from the FDA in regards to e-cigs is "these products are appropriate for the protection of public health.” That is beyond bonkers.

Just look around and see the disaster that has become the opioids and it's still going on. Regulatory failure across the board.

Forget what RFK thought about vaccines and a lot of other things, the Democrats were stupid to dismiss him and some of his supporters (not me) Some aspects of what he is saying is 100% accurate and people can see it and feel it every single day either through their corrupt food system, the corrupt pharma system and a lot more.

It would have been wise for the Democrats to actually take RFK's meeting about a potential seat at the table in a Harris administration and walk away with an army of information. Pretending everything is hunky dory with food companies and drug companies in America isn't honest. I don't think Trump and RFK are going to really fix things in that area either, hopefully they do positive things, but the hope of something positive also does lead to voters turning out for a better outcome.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I think in this situation some people may be a little upset as to some of the basic messaging of what RFK and people who want better for the USA in terms of food, are saying. I am not a follower of RFK or a big fan or anything. I do know that America is probably the worst in the world for their food supply. The American lifestyle and food system is making it's way all over the world and it's having drastic affects on the health and wellbeing of other countries at the same time. The level of corruption between industry and agencies like the FDA is unreal. Big business like food companies and drug companies really just bully through the FDA.

The FDA has become effectively a marketing arm for a lot of these companies. If you look at vaping and e-cig products, people actually believe these claims by Tabaco companies and the FDA. The official line from the FDA in regards to e-cigs is "these products are appropriate for the protection of public health.” That is beyond bonkers.

Just look around and see the disaster that has become the opioids and it's still going on. Regulatory failure across the board.

Forget what RFK thought about vaccines and a lot of other things, the Democrats were stupid to dismiss him and some of his supporters (not me) Some aspects of what he is saying is 100% accurate and people can see it and feel it every single day either through their corrupt food system, the corrupt pharma system and a lot more.

It would have been wise for the Democrats to actually take RFK's meeting about a potential seat at the table in a Harris administration and walk away with an army of information. Pretending everything is hunky dory with food companies and drug companies in America isn't honest. I don't think Trump and RFK are going to really fix things in that area either, hopefully they do positive things, but the hope of something positive also does lead to voters turning out for a better outcome.

No, just no, no and no. Oh gods.

RFK is not someone who deserves respect and he is even less a source of information, let alone valuable or unique information. RFK is a grifter and a conspiracy nut. He got to power by kissing Trumps ass, not by having knowledge or skill. Just because he also happens to believe some things that are truth adjacent doesn't mean he should be considered a go-to guy on literally anything, or that we should dismiss the crazy stuff. RFK isnt saying anything worth hearing that better qualified, less conspiracy theory minded people aren't also saying.

The options are not "information sandwich rolled in dogcrap conspiracy theories, or no sandwich at all". You can just get a good information sandwich from a better source.

There is no reason to go to to crazy grifters for help and information on these topics, you can just go to actual qualified sane experts. Which is something the Democrats regularly already do, although inconsistently of course, because the political system is corrupt and money talks louder than facts.

RFK is absolutely not going to make things better, and he could make things much, much worse with especially the anti-vaxxing insanity.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Itse

No, just no, no and no. Oh gods.

RFK is not someone who deserves respect and he is even less a source of information, let alone valuable or unique information. RFK is a grifter and a conspiracy nut. He got to power by kissing Trumps ass, not by having knowledge or skill. Just because he also happens to believe some things that are truth adjacent doesn't mean he should be considered a go-to guy on literally anything, or that we should dismiss the crazy stuff. RFK isnt saying anything worth hearing that better qualified, less conspiracy theory minded people aren't also saying.

The options are not "information sandwich rolled in dogcrap conspiracy theories, or no sandwich at all". You can just get a good information sandwich from a better source.

There is no reason to go to to crazy grifters for help and information on these topics, you can just go to actual qualified sane experts. Which is something the Democrats regularly already do, although inconsistently of course, because the political system is corrupt and money talks louder than facts.

RFK is absolutely not going to make things better, and he could make things much, much worse with especially the anti-vaxxing insanity.

I point back to my original post, forget about what RFK has to say about a million things like vaccines and a bunch of other nonsense. This is not a pro RFK post or an endorsement or whatever of his views, policies or more. Let's take the underlying message on some aspects he has to say like the healthy eating, getting unsafe food additives, chemicals and more out of our food system, healthy regulations, being more active, not allowing pharma companies to make trillions off the backs of sick people for medications that may or may not need. America is in a land like no other in the above mentioned category.

The above, in a simple way, resonates with people because they know it to be true. The food in America is crap, there are literally food deserts in America where you can be in a large city and struggle to actually find healthy, nutritious food. This isn't conspiracy. The people are sick, have poor financial access to proper healthcare in a lot of forms and are then put onto a boatload of expensive medications they struggle to afford, who's drug costs are sky high. American's travel to Canada and the EU and see the difference in prices and know they are getting screwed over. They know Big Pharma changes some specific delivery method for something like insulin and then proceeds to charge tens of thousands of dollars for the same product. They know they are being taken advantage of, everybody knows it.

I am saying that if we take out the politics of the basic, underlying message on things like food companies, food additives, big pharma, obvious corruption and a whole lot more, it becomes obvious when someone brings it to the forefront, whoever that may be. If Harris had brought this up to the same degree, it could have very much helped her in the campaign. When Michelle Obama brought in the "Let's Move" campaign it, it was smart, because American children are more overweight, sicker and probably less active than other children in the world. Why? Cause the food is garbage and we have small children who weigh more than grown men and are on diabetes medication and blood pressure medication when they are...........children

As I said before, I am not RFK follower or fan. This is not a pro Trump post as I did not want him to win. This doesn't mean that his messaging on some topics does not resonate with American voters.

America has a food, food company, healthcare/healthy lifestyle, medication and more problem, no matter who brings it to the forefront of an election.

[Fuzz]

This is why Trump is president. People actually think like this.


What a world.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I point back to my original post, forget about what RFK has to say about a million things like vaccines and a bunch of other nonsense. This is not a pro RFK post or an endorsement or whatever of his views, policies or more. Let's take the underlying message on some aspects he has to say like the healthy eating, getting unsafe food additives, chemicals and more out of our food system, healthy regulations, being more active, not allowing pharma companies to make trillions off the backs of sick people for medications that may or may not need. America is in a land like no other in the above mentioned category.

The above, in a simple way, resonates with people because they know it to be true. The food in America is crap, there are literally food deserts in America where you can be in a large city and struggle to actually find healthy, nutritious food. This isn't conspiracy. The people are sick, have poor financial access to proper healthcare in a lot of forms and are then put onto a boatload of expensive medications they struggle to afford, who's drug costs are sky high. American's travel to Canada and the EU and see the difference in prices and know they are getting screwed over. They know Big Pharma changes some specific delivery method for something like insulin and then proceeds to charge tens of thousands of dollars for the same product. They know they are being taken advantage of, everybody knows it.

I am saying that if we take out the politics of the basic, underlying message on things like food companies, food additives, big pharma, obvious corruption and a whole lot more, it becomes obvious when someone brings it to the forefront, whoever that may be. If Harris had brought this up to the same degree, it could have very much helped her in the campaign. When Michelle Obama brought in the "Let's Move" campaign it, it was smart, because American children are more overweight, sicker and probably less active than other children in the world. Why? Cause the food is garbage and we have small children who weigh more than grown men and are on diabetes medication and blood pressure medication when they are...........children

As I said before, I am not RFK follower or fan. This is not a pro Trump post as I did not want him to win. This doesn't mean that his messaging on some topics does not resonate with American voters.

America has a food, food company, healthcare/healthy lifestyle, medication and more problem, no matter who brings it to the forefront of an election.

HAHAHAHAHA

Electing MAGA isn't going to fcuking change access to healthcare, in fact is about to get way worse, more and more Americans are going to struggle accessing healthcare.


Also, if you want to say something "isn't conspiracy" maybe find better words than "Big Pharma" that's just lazy and weak.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

This is why Trump is president. People actually think like this.


What a world.

I’m going to be so relieved when I wake up out of this coma.

[Ozy_Flame]

I love when right-wing talking heads go on about "Big Pharma," as if the conservative movement in the U.S. didn't contribute to the big bad pharmaceutical industry they made it to be. Republicans either created and/or enabled patent protections and copyrights on drugs, limited price regulations that pharma companies should follow, gave them tax breaks and subsidies, hamstrung the FDA in drug approvals to get drugs faster to market, allowed them to lobby the #### out of Republicans over the decades, and pushed privatized healthcare which gives them greater leverage to set higher prices through private insurance.

So before conservatives get all bent out of shape about "Big Pharma", lets remember who trained the beast before they demonizing their own creation.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I love when right-wing talking heads go on about "Big Pharma," as if the conservative movement in the U.S. didn't contribute to the big bad pharmaceutical industry they made it to be. Republicans either created and/or enabled patent protections and copyrights on drugs, limited price regulations that pharma companies should follow, gave them tax breaks and subsidies, hamstrung the FDA in drug approvals to get drugs faster to market, allowed them to lobby the #### out of Republicans over the decades, and pushed privatized healthcare which gives them greater leverage to set higher prices through private insurance.

So before conservatives get all bent out of shape about "Big Pharma", let’s remember who trained the beast before they demonizing their own creation.

Bolded the problem with your plan. There is no active thinking happening man. The only way is to trick them into “owning libs” by making policies you actually want. There’s no reasoning, there’s no ####ing reading even… this is all about “revenge” for whatever the issue of the day is.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I am saying that if we take out the politics of the basic, underlying message on things like food companies, food additives, big pharma, obvious corruption and a whole lot more, it becomes obvious when someone brings it to the forefront, whoever that may be. If Harris had brought this up to the same degree, it could have very much helped her in the campaign. When Michelle Obama brought in the "Let's Move" campaign it, it was smart, because American children are more overweight, sicker and probably less active than other children in the world. Why? Cause the food is garbage and we have small children who weigh more than grown men and are on diabetes medication and blood pressure medication when they are...........children

As another poster pointed out before, Michelle Obama and the Democrats were absolutely lambasted over trying to regulate how people, including children eat.


As far as RFK goes, the man is a moronic wingnut. His boss is a moronic wingnut. The whole wing of the party is made up of moronic wingnuts. Like a broken clock, they may get a couple of things right by accident, although they are so corrupted they are going to do whatever is best for whoever is paying them.


But it is virtually guaranteed they are going to kill a hell of a lot more people over all than save.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

This is why Trump is president. People actually think like this.


What a world.

As I said, the deplorables will get what they deserve. #### em.

[CliffFletcher]

I don’t know what you can say about people who fret over the health impact of ‘chemicals’ in their food, but don’t think anything of drinking a half litre of pop or other sweet drinks a day.