2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[dammage79]

Razz and Pops for Krebs and Cozens.

If Kadri would move I'd prefer that.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Razz and Pops for Krebs and Cozens.

If Kadri would move I'd prefer that.

Awful deal for us.

AHL player and a boat anchor no thank you

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Awful deal for us.

AHL player and a boat anchor no thank you

Yeah, that’s a pretty big bet on Cozens being a good top six center.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Razz and Pops for Krebs and Cozens.

If Kadri would move I'd prefer that.

Ya I would pass on that myself.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Awful deal for us.

AHL player and a boat anchor no thank you

I think people are grossly undervaluing Cozens. Buffalo is a toxic place, I think he would pop if we acquired him.

[Junglist]

Just say no to Cozens.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

I think people are grossly undervaluing Cozens. Buffalo is a toxic place, I think he would pop if we acquired him.

Raz is worth a good deal more than Cozens, I’d say.

To BUF: Andersson
To CGY: Cozens, 2025 1st round pick (top-10 protected)

That’s the value I’d expect to see. Buffalo trading “potential” for the far and away best player in the trade.

So, if you’re adding Kadri into the deal (as that 2 for 2 trade shows) - in my eyes you’re effectively saying Krebs is worth Kadri + 1st, and we know that’s not right.

While some may be undervaluing Cozens, I think you’re probably drastically undervaluing Andersson. The only reason the Flames should be trading Andersson is because he doesn’t fit our timeline.

To BUF: Andersson, Kadri
To CGY: Cozens, Krebs, 1st round pick or Helenius

That’s not a “crazy” deal in my eyes, but one I’d probably do. Get Cozens + 1st for Andersson, move away from Kadri’s age and contract for Krebs.

Depth centre then becomes:

1. Zary
2. Cozens
3. Backlund
4. Krebs

Flames still lack the high-end centre they need, but at least the group is beginning to look like it could build into something.

For Kadri, being in Buffalo is about as close to Toronto as he can get without playing for the Leafs again. Buffalo gets better today, and moves on from a player that they may not see as a long-term player in Cozens. They then look at their defensive group as:

Dahlin - Andersson
Power - Byram

That foursome is unreal in my eyes. Best in the league? I think with some time, yes.

While their centres are:

1. Thompson (C/RW)
2. Kadri
3. McLeod
4. Lafferty

With Kulich, Helenius (unless included), Wahlberg, Ostlund as players that can play that position as well.

[Sandman]

Nobody is going to waive for Buffalo, that's the problem....

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Nobody is going to waive for Buffalo, that's the problem....

I think there’s a decent chance players/agents could be looking at Buffalo as one of the next top teams. I think Dahlin (24), Byram (23), Power (soon to be 22) is a Championship-quality group in the coming years.

Thompson looks to be back to form with 18 points in 16 games this season.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

I think people are grossly undervaluing Cozens. Buffalo is a toxic place, I think he would pop if we acquired him.

I don't think he's a center on a cup winning team.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I think there’s a decent chance players/agents could be looking at Buffalo as one of the next top teams. Dahlin (24), Byram (23), Power (soon to be 22) is a Championship-quality group in the coming years.

I don't think it's even close. Power is very low end #1 pick, Byram can't stay healthy. They are very far from being the next top team.

[Sandman]

I really think Cozens and Andersson are fairly close in value. Just look at it from a GM's perspective:

-Cozens, despite his salary, is still young- and youth is worth quite a lot.
-Cozens already has a 68-point season under his belt, when he was just 21.
-Cozens plays perhaps the most important position in hockey, and he's got the profile of a true #1 with size, strength, and speed. Those kinds of centers are rare.
-Andersson is close to free agency, and his next contract will take him well into his 30’s

Can't see Buffalo parting with a C, when they would be short on true centers. I also think that D is a strength in their organization- they need leadership on the backend, but I don't think they need another top-4 defenseman.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Raz is worth a good deal more than Cozens, I’d say.

To BUF: Andersson
To CGY: Cozens, 2025 1st round pick (top-10 protected)

That’s the value I’d expect to see. Buffalo trading “potential” for the far and away best player in the trade.

So, if you’re adding Kadri into the deal (as that 2 for 2 trade shows) - in my eyes you’re effectively saying Krebs is worth Kadri + 1st, and we know that’s not right.

While some may be undervaluing Cozens, I think you’re probably drastically undervaluing Andersson. The only reason the Flames should be trading Andersson is because he doesn’t fit our timeline.

To BUF: Andersson, Kadri
To CGY: Cozens, Krebs, 1st round pick or Helenius

That’s not a “crazy” deal in my eyes, but one I’d probably do. Get Cozens + 1st for Andersson, move away from Kadri’s age and contract for Krebs.

Depth centre then becomes:

1. Zary
2. Cozens
3. Backlund
4. Krebs

Flames still lack the high-end centre they need, but at least the group is beginning to look like it could build into something.

For Kadri, being in Buffalo is about as close to Toronto as he can get without playing for the Leafs again. Buffalo gets better today, and moves on from a player that they may not see as a long-term player in Cozens. They then look at their defensive group as:

Dahlin - Andersson
Power - Byram

That foursome is unreal in my eyes. Best in the league? I think with some time, yes.

While their centres are:

1. Thompson (C/RW)
2. Kadri
3. McLeod
4. Lafferty

With Kulich, Helenius (unless included), Wahlberg, Ostlund as players that can play that position as well.

Cozens is far above Zary on center depth if he became a Flame. I like Zary as a prospect, but he isn’t a first liner anywhere but here.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Saqe

I don't think it's even close. Power is very low end #1 pick, Byram can't stay healthy. They are very far from being the next top team.

I disagree with your assessment of Power. His first few years have been quite strong for a young defenceman from a production perspective (producing better than Hedman did in those years).

It takes time for defencemen to round out.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Razz and Pops for Krebs and Cozens.

If Kadri would move I'd prefer that.

Pull the trigger if it's out there. I'd also do straight up Cozens for Andersson. We're not going to be able to trade for any centre with as much/more upside as cozens.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I disagree with your assessment of Power. His first few years have been quite strong for a young defenceman from a production perspective (producing better than Hedman did in those years).

It takes time for defencemen to round out.

To me he's soft and while having good tools, he doesn't seems to have a great understanding of the game. Someone like Matheson comes to my mind, good player but not a foundational piece.

[Sandman]

I also agree with the above, that Cozens will pop if given a change of scenery.

[NegativeSpace]

The next big team? I get that they have prospects but maybe they should make the playoffs before anyone calls them the next big team.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I also agree with the above, that Cozens will pop if given a change of scenery.

My opinion but he never pops when I see him. Crafty offensive player sure but not a game changer at all. I would trade Andersson for him just because of the rebuild status of the Flames but he's a #2C for me, and probably would be a much better winger.

[RedHawk12]

Man, I'm going to have to push back hard against the crowd saying no to dammage's proposal. Its a great trade for us, and we really need to have some foresight here - Any deal involving Cozens for Andersson in even a somewhat lateral swap is a win for us. It's as close as you can get to a repeat of the Hamilton/Ferland - Lindholm/Hanifin trade.

Yes Andersson is a top-pairing defenseman in his prime right now, but he's also 2 years away from FA and we'd need to lock him in long-term, high-salary, into his mid-30s, which has its obvious risks. Pospisil's style of play, injury history and fan-favorite status is very reminiscent of Ferland in Calgary, who really turned into nothing with Carolina. And his career was eventually cut short by those injuries.

Cozens has all the makings of a 1st line center waiting for a change in scenery before he pops. I don't know if it's the same doubters doubting Cozens as the ones who called Lindholm a "40-pt player" and Necas a "40-pt player". The careers of these types of guys are so eerily similar you can basically predict their career arcs without even claiming to know the future. Once highly toughted young guy struggling in a stale environment gets a change in scenery/usage and pops - it's so common that most GMs on rebuilding teams specifically target these types of players in trade.

The foresight part applies because we want to target and acquire these types of players before they pop. Obviously they wouldn't be available after they pop. You can now make a pretty good argument that not getting Necas in a Tkachuk trade was short-sighted by Tre, or ownership or whoever was in charge, regardless of whether we were trying to compete or rebuild. The exactly same situation may be presenting itself if Cozens is on the table, and we should take advantage of it this time.

The same applies to Krebs, but in a smaller scale (slightly lower ceiling), imo.

I know it was just a suggestion by a poster and we don't know if it's even remotely discussed. I'm just saying if something like this is available, I'd jump on it.