2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The Flames braintrust don’t want a long rebuild. Conroy is out there beating the bushes for a young C because he doesn’t want the Flames to suck next year. Getting a mid-1st round C from a very strong 2024 strong draft, who’s one season away from playing in the NHL, has more value than a mid 1st round pick in 2025 that’s likely 2-3 seasons away.

They might not want it but it’s coming and moves like the above will only extend it

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

They might not want it but it’s coming and moves like the above will only extend it

Correct. The more Calgary fights a long rebuild, the longer they stay in the middle until they have no choice but to do a full scale rebuild.

Calgary has little premium talent on the team or in the pipeline.

If Wold becomes a very good goalie, that is a huge plus for the rebuild, although it certainly hurts their draft picks.

[Royle9]

Yea, Andersson was the most recent item of Calgary’s they remain the most interested in, but I could also see them in on a number of guys if made available. Belief is that Buffalo is looking for experience more than prospects etc.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Yea, Andersson was the most recent item of Calgary’s they remain the most interested in, but I could also see them in on a number of guys if made available. Belief is that Buffalo is looking for experience more than prospects etc.

Interesting. Thanks Royle. I have been hoping a team like Buffalo or Detroit would be the ones to go after Andersson as they both are deep with good prospects/young NHLers. As other posters suggested, I would be very happy to see the flames get something like Helenius + 2025 1st pick (top 5 protected). That would be a fantastic return IMO. Even if Calgary has to add a bit to the trade to make that work - though I’m not sure if they would have to.

[Monahammer]

It would be interesting if Kadri was open to moving there. We don't really have a centre to pitch them to alleviate the loss of Cozens.

But i want Cozens. Way more than Helenius.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

It would be interesting if Kadri was open to moving there. We don't really have a centre to pitch them to alleviate the loss of Cozens.

But i want Cozens. Way more than Helenius.

In terms of age and contract value I think Helenius holds a lot more value personally.

In terms of NHLe and Byron Bader's model they were quite similar in their draft year too, with Helenius actually having a slightly higher likelihood of being a star.

I like Cozens as a bit of a reclamation project but I'd take the younger piece first.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I think Helenius would be an heir apparent to Backlund. Which would be valuable. But he's got a bit of that "good at everything, not great at anything" kinda vibe.

[FlamesAddiction]

Would Kadri early in his career be a good comparison to Cozens currently for play style and potential upside?

[sureLoss]

From Friedman:
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...-go-from-here/

5. Dante Fabbro’s 19:17 in his Columbus debut was the most he played since last Nov. 18 — 50 games (including playoffs). He needed a fresh start, and gets it with the Blue Jackets.

The Law of Conservation of Energy states “energy is neither created nor destroyed,” so increased ice-time for Fabbro affects someone else. The situation to watch is now with David Jiricek, who played 9:15 and 8:50 his last two games, then sat out Fabbro’s first. There were rocky waters between player and organization last season. And, while I don’t believe new GM Don Waddell would automatically move on from a player he didn’t draft, he wouldn’t have the same attachment as Jarmo Kekalainen. (By the way, congratulations to Kekalainen on being named to Finland’s Hockey Hall of Fame. Great honour.)

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think Helenius would be an heir apparent to Backlund. Which would be valuable. But he's got a bit of that "good at everything, not great at anything" kinda vibe.

I think people have downplayed his offensive upside going back to the draft for some reason.

He produced well as a 17 year old in a mens league. (higher production than Rantanen in his draft year)

And now he has 5 goals and 6 points in 11 games as an 18 year old in the AHL, which is a tough league for 18 year olds to score and produce in.

He has top 6 if not top line upside but people always seem to ignore his actual production and say he has middle 6 center upside.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Wasn’t too long ago Blackwood was left for dead too. Jake Allen, at one point, was asked to go home.

Jarry had previously shown to be a quality goalie. I suspect there will be a team, at some point who may roll the dice. That said, I agree that the contract is a major hindrance at this point.

Gibson, I think, could be a legitimate option. He’s been a change of scenery candidate for years. Put in the right situation, he could be just as good, or better, than Vladar.

If there is a team that wants Gibson at 6.4 million for this season and two more seasons I agree he could be a candidate.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I think people have downplayed his offensive upside going back to the draft for some reason.

He produced well as a 17 year old in a mens league. (higher production than Rantanen in his draft year)

And now he has 5 goals and 6 points in 11 games as an 18 year old in the AHL, which is a tough league for 18 year olds to score and produce in.

He has top 6 if not top line upside but people always seem to ignore his actual production and say he has middle 6 center upside.

I fought that battle for Helenius all summer long heading into the draft.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I fought that battle for Helenius all summer long heading into the draft.

Me too.

If they took him at 9 I would have had no issues with it, even with Parekh, Buium, and Dickinson on the board.

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I think people have downplayed his offensive upside going back to the draft for some reason.

He produced well as a 17 year old in a mens league. (higher production than Rantanen in his draft year)

And now he has 5 goals and 6 points in 11 games as an 18 year old in the AHL, which is a tough league for 18 year olds to score and produce in.

He has top 6 if not top line upside but people always seem to ignore his actual production and say he has middle 6 center upside.

If I am not mistaken, Helenius has scored in 4 of the last 5 games as well. He is just getting used to NA, and the AHL, and is improving rapidly.

If the deal is out there, Flames should pull the trigger to get him prior to the World Juniors when his stock is set to rocket.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Would Kadri early in his career be a good comparison to Cozens currently for play style and potential upside?

I think they differ a bit stylistically, with Kadri having a bit more of a nasty streak when he was younger. To me, Kadri didn't look like he would ever be more than a 50-60 point, second-line C until his big season with the Avs- when he was pretty much 30 years old. Cozens already has a 68-point season under his belt that came when he was just 21. Numbers-wise, I think Cozens will more productive through his 20's, and will possibly start to hover closer to a point-per-game in the next few seasons. Just my opinion.

[D as in David]

If Conroy could get Helenius and a first-round pick, I'd be happy. Even if the pick is protected in 2025, I'd be okay with Buffalo's unprotected first in 2026 given their inability to make the leap over the past decade+.

[Niemo]

Originally Posted by D as in David

If Conroy could get Helenius and a first-round pick, I'd be happy. Even if the pick is protected in 2025, I'd be okay with Buffalo's unprotected first in 2026 given their inability to make the leap over the past decade+.

That would be great.

Rasmus Andersson + Martin Pospisil
For
Konsta Helenius + 2026 unprotected 1st + Peyton Krebs

[mile]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Would Kadri early in his career be a good comparison to Cozens currently for play style and potential upside?

I've always thought of Jeff Carter when it comes to Cozens

[Jiri Hrdina]

Yeah that’s a good comparison

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think Helenius would be an heir apparent to Backlund. Which would be valuable. But he's got a bit of that "good at everything, not great at anything" kinda vibe.

Well, we have 2-3 center spots to fill for the future. And every competitive team needs its backlund type forward that can play reliably in all zones.