The sample size to is too small. American Thanksgiving is outdated and out the window as well.
We are also 7 points from last place in the NHL, which is Nashville. When teams are chasing that last wild card deeper into the season that is usually the point differential you are looking at.
Obviously getting a top 5 is important, but you have to put in some effort to be bad. Thought it might be easier.
Looking at it already...it's potentially hard to be bottom 10 even.
Right now here are the teams below the Flames:
Bottom 10
32. Nashville - .375
31. Montreal - .375
30. San Jose - .382
29. Columbus - .400
28. Chicago - .406
27. Pittsburgh - .412
26. Anaheim - .429
25. Philadelphia - .438
24. St.Louis - .438
23. Detroit - .464
In order to finish bottom 10, 10 of these teams have to pass the Flames this season.
Boston, Colorado, Tampa Bay, Ottawa, and Edmonton likely pass the Flames...but of the rest of those teams there are none that I'm like "yeah they are clearly better than the Flames".
It's possible the Flames trade some players and their play falls off a cliff...but even if they move Kuzmenko, Hanley, Barrie etc I don't see a huge fall off to the guys they'd bring up from the AHL.
If they move Andersson / Coleman / etc them maybe it's a different story but there are a lot of teams that honestly have similar number of holes to the Flames, and the Flames are playing better than them.
Edit: Also didn't even mention that Flames have actually had a tough schedule to start the year, and according to strength of schedule they have a top 5 easiest schedule remaning.
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In order to finish bottom 10, 10 of these teams have to pass the Flames this season.
Boston, Colorado, Tampa Bay, Ottawa, and Edmonton likely pass the Flames...but of the rest of those teams there are none that I'm like "yeah they are clearly better than the Flames".
It's possible the Flames trade some players and their play falls off a cliff...but even if they move Kuzmenko, Hanley, Barrie etc I don't see a huge fall off to the guys they'd bring up from the AHL.
If they move Andersson / Coleman / etc them maybe it's a different story but there are a lot of teams that honestly have similar number of holes to the Flames, and the Flames are playing better than them.
Edit: Also didn't even mention that Flames have actually had a tough schedule to start the year, and according to strength of schedule they have a top 5 easiest schedule remaning.
I could see some of those teams passing us, and out goaltending holding up remains to be seen. Not to mention out putrid special teams.
The focus should remain on moving guys out. You can't let this start fool you, and the underlying numbers pretty much say we are riding goaltending at this point.
Making the playoffs could be a massive setback to this organization. They need to be in the bottom 10 for a lot of reasons.
Game went pretty much as I expected with a tired Flames traveling coast to coast and playing back to back. Flames were sloppy all night and I don't think the ice helped. In all honesty if the canucks were a half way decent team it would have been 5 or 6 goals against. Flames battled but were gassed.
Fun game. The canucks do a good job with game presentation and keep the crowd engaged. Had club section seats and the fans around me were pretty fun. Nice place to sit but damn are those tickets expensive.
Not sure whatever one is getting into a tizzy for, this is exactly what the Flames are. When they are focused and play a perfect game they look like they did against the Kings. But, that is extremely hard to maintain and they do not have the high end skill to carry them through a down spell like last night. No game changers. Coaches coach to win and the players play to win. There will be no tank unless Conroy dumps the vets which isn't happening for a number of reasons. Enjoy the ride and let the cards fall where they may.
The focus should remain on moving guys out. You can't let this start fool you, and the underlying numbers pretty much say we are riding goaltending at this point.
Thing is the UFAs that you're wanted to move out right away...I'm not sure moving them really hurts you.
Kuzmenko replaced with Pelletier/Honzek...not sure how much worse we are.
Mantha already injured and replaced by Coronato for the most part.
Barrie/Hanley being replaced with Bean, Grushnikov, Kuznetsov, etc might actually make them better.
Rooney...Kirkland replaces him at C and Klapka probably an improvement overall.
It's only really if they start shopping Andersson/Coleman and if that does happen it's likely not happening until closer to the deadline.
This isn't last year where you're removing your first line center, and two top 4 d-man from your roster mid-season.
But what's the market for those players (Kuz, Barrie, Hanley, Rooney). I would say right now, it's probably non existent.
Kuzmenko is the only who likely has any market.
Tyson Barrie is pretty bad. Hanley maybe gets you future considerations.
I don't mean ship them out today, just that the focus needs to stay on the long term. The thought of extending any of them should not cross Conroys mind.
A bit indifferent with Andersson, he can be good, but he can also be bad. Not sure I would be comfortable committing 8 years and big dollars to him after he turns 30. I would much rather go the trade route and get some assets.
Game went pretty much as I expected with a tired Flames traveling coast to coast and playing back to back. Flames were sloppy all night and I don't think the ice helped. In all honesty if the canucks were a half way decent team it would have been 5 or 6 goals against. Flames battled but were gassed.
Fun game. The canucks do a good job with game presentation and keep the crowd engaged. Had club section seats and the fans around me were pretty fun. Nice place to sit but damn are those tickets expensive.
Not sure whatever one is getting into a tizzy for, this is exactly what the Flames are. When they are focused and play a perfect game they look like they did against the Kings. But, that is extremely hard to maintain and they do not have the high end skill to carry them through a down spell like last night. No game changers. Coaches coach to win and the players play to win. There will be no tank unless Conroy dumps the vets which isn't happening for a number of reasons. Enjoy the ride and let the cards fall where they may.
Plus the Kings played pretty badly and I was shocked when I checked the standings to see where they are.
In order to finish bottom 10, 10 of these teams have to pass the Flames this season.
Boston, Colorado, Tampa Bay, Ottawa, and Edmonton likely pass the Flames...but of the rest of those teams there are none that I'm like "yeah they are clearly better than the Flames".
It's possible the Flames trade some players and their play falls off a cliff...but even if they move Kuzmenko, Hanley, Barrie etc I don't see a huge fall off to the guys they'd bring up from the AHL.
If they move Andersson / Coleman / etc them maybe it's a different story but there are a lot of teams that honestly have similar number of holes to the Flames, and the Flames are playing better than them.
Edit: Also didn't even mention that Flames have actually had a tough schedule to start the year, and according to strength of schedule they have a top 5 easiest schedule remaning.
If this was February I'd be with you... but currently only 7 points separate us and the last place teams right now.
I'll never cheer for a loss, but there is plenty of hockey to be played and we have played more games than the majority of teams below us.
The whole bottom 10 is out of reach narrative has no substance to it.
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In order to finish bottom 10, 10 of these teams have to pass the Flames this season.
Boston, Colorado, Tampa Bay, Ottawa, and Edmonton likely pass the Flames...but of the rest of those teams there are none that I'm like "yeah they are clearly better than the Flames".
It's possible the Flames trade some players and their play falls off a cliff...but even if they move Kuzmenko, Hanley, Barrie etc I don't see a huge fall off to the guys they'd bring up from the AHL.
If they move Andersson / Coleman / etc them maybe it's a different story but there are a lot of teams that honestly have similar number of holes to the Flames, and the Flames are playing better than them.
Edit: Also didn't even mention that Flames have actually had a tough schedule to start the year, and according to strength of schedule they have a top 5 easiest schedule remaning.
There’s no one you could trade that would have that much of an impact.
Ask yourself this question. Who’s our best player. Keep in mind our top scorer is a defenseman at number 99 in the league and our top forward is 143rd in scoring.
We don’t have one is what I’m saying. The Flames would probably improve if you started dumping vets. They need to maintain the cap floor too
Keep working on the culture. Drafting and developing. Use your capspace to fill in gaps. I think they are doing a good job so far.
Was actually more concerned with the fact this still looks like a team that can hang when they have a full tank of gas. This looks like a wild card team barring any deadline trades and that means we lose our pick. I’m pleasantly surprised with how good both Valdar and Wolf are.
Was actually more concerned with the fact this still looks like a team that can hang when they have a full tank of gas. This looks like a wild card team barring any deadline trades and that means we lose our pick. I’m pleasantly surprised with how good both Valdar and Wolf are.
If they actually make the playoffs then it's fine.
It's only an issue if they finish 11-16...that's where it's pain.
If they make the playoffs and give Montreal 18th OV but keep Florida's 25th OV...it sucks but it's not the end of the world.
Really people just want a top 10 pick because it's not a super deep draft and that's where the high end centers are.
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If this was February I'd be with you... but currently only 7 points separate us and the last place teams right now.
I'll never cheer for a loss, but there is plenty of hockey to be played and we have played more games than the majority of teams below us.
The whole bottom 10 is out of reach narrative has no substance to it.
Don't think anybody said it's out of reach - people are just saying it's not a given. There are a lot of bad teams, especially in the Western Conference.
In order to be bottom 10 at the very best you have to finish below a .500 points percentage.
The risk is right now there is a big gap between the top and bottom of the league...so it could look more like 21-22.
10: .463
11: .470
12: .494
Currently:
10: .464
11: .469
12: .469
Flames right now are at .559 with 19 points of a possible 34 points. They have 130 points available the rest of the way, and if they want to finish bottom 10 they probably can't eclipse 78 points / .475 point percentage to guarantee it.
That's a .454 pace the rest of the way, or 59 of a possible 130 points, which translates to a 27-33-5 record in their final 65 games.
It's still entirely possible for them to finish bottom 10 for sure but it's worth noting that even last year before the three major trades were completed they were a .533 (30-26-5) points percentage team even with their terrible start, and then after all the trades (March 6 onwards) they were .381, and even with that terrible end to the season they were a .500 team in their last 65 games.
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In order to finish bottom 10, 10 of these teams have to pass the Flames this season.
Boston, Colorado, Tampa Bay, Ottawa, and Edmonton likely pass the Flames...but of the rest of those teams there are none that I'm like "yeah they are clearly better than the Flames".
It's possible the Flames trade some players and their play falls off a cliff...but even if they move Kuzmenko, Hanley, Barrie etc I don't see a huge fall off to the guys they'd bring up from the AHL.
If they move Andersson / Coleman / etc them maybe it's a different story but there are a lot of teams that honestly have similar number of holes to the Flames, and the Flames are playing better than them.
Edit: Also didn't even mention that Flames have actually had a tough schedule to start the year, and according to strength of schedule they have a top 5 easiest schedule remaning.
They play a game and have access to private flights.
Everyone has to deal with back to backs and travel.
They are fine.
Barkley on back to backs.
every team does not play in Buffalo Saturday, home Monday, Vancouver Tuesday while they have been home for a week.
Western teams have hard travel and this is one of the worst stretches of the year for the Flames. The post was about strength of schedule all I am saying is they have had a tough one. ONE game homestands are not ideal and the Flames have had multiple.
every team does not play in Buffalo Saturday, home Monday, Vancouver Tuesday while they have been home for a week.
Western teams have hard travel and this is one of the worst stretches of the year for the Flames. The post was about strength of schedule all I am saying is they have had a tough one. ONE game homestands are not ideal and the Flames have had multiple.
Vancouver is a 1.5-hour flight.
It's not like they have to go home cook a meal, pack and catch a flight.
Bitching about playing a game 3-4 times a week and some travel, while people work real jobs 50-60 hours a week, yeah nah.
