Well since we’re calling out gaslighting, can you explain how if I’m a grocery retailer who’s been charging X for my products, why I would be compelled to lower my prices that I know my customers will already pay in the event I pay less tax and have lower energy costs? Are shareholders at these large chains going to vote in favour of not maximizing profits?
Basic economics? Profit margins? Competition? These things don't change overnight but prices do go down.
Food shoppers can finally breathe a slight sigh of relief: After years of increases followed by months of plateau, grocery prices fell last month.
Grocery prices retreated 0.2% from March to April, adjusted for seasonal swings, according to inflation data released Wednesday by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
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shareholders are usually more focused on profitability (profit margins) because it drives shareholder returns and long-term value
None of that is gas lighting but maybe some ignorance on your part
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I answered a single sentence, using a single sentence. Also quit following me around. It’s creepy.
Why do people say stupid things like this? Why did you?
In the last American Politics thread PepsiFree had almost 500 posts, just outside the top ten posters in the thread. You think he won't post here now, because you don't like him?
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This guy gets it. The democrats failed not because its messaging was poor or because some voters are racist or misogynist or because Kamala was a historically unpopular politician. All of those things are true to some extent, but none of those problems were insurmountable.
The democrat party failed because it doesn't offer real solutions to the genuine problems faced by large coalitions of disenfranchised citizens. Instead, the democrats do what's best for the elite that fund them. And then the democrat machinery gaslights and talks downs to those citizens calling them racist, deplorables, uneducated, stupid, homophobic, white trash, rightwing extremists, religious cultists, etc.
And the democrats do that because their party is beholden to the elites who profit off the global order that has devastated larges swaths of the country's identity, dignity and economic well-being. So the democrats are happy to attack republicans for their proposed solutions to these very real problems, but can't offer any solutions of their own.
Its not just Trump. Republicans won up and down the ticket for good reason.
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All of that and Trump only had a measly four million more votes.
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Why do people say stupid things like this? Why did you?
In the last American Politics thread PepsiFree had almost 500 posts, just outside the top ten posters in the thread. You think he won't post here now, because you don't like him?
Who said I didn’t like him? I enjoy reading his posts. He called me creepy, I called him creepy, it’s got nothing to do with you.
Basic economics? Profit margins? Competition? These things don't change overnight but prices do go down.
None of that is gas lighting but maybe some ignorance on your part
I am not an economist but why would a tariff imposed on the importer result in the price going down? Please explain this to me like I am five because while individual goods may go down in price the institution of a tariff would on its face result in the prices going up as the costs are passed along to the consumer.
If the intent is to bring manufacturing back to America (to his supporter states I presume) then the cost will still rise as the cost of manufacturing in the United States is still higher than in developing nations where human rights and fair wages are less of a thing. But once again that would result in the cost of products going up... which is what he was rallying against.
Now I am not going to say that I think globalization has worked out perfectly for all Americans, there is a significant portion of the population left behind as the factories close and the coal mines/resource extraction industries are shuttered. But by and large the American populace has been the beneficiaries of this by being able to acquire cheap products produced for them by what amounts to borderline slave labour. We have never had it so good and yet we don't even realize that our standard of living is built on the backs of the international poor.
This guy gets it. The democrats failed not because its messaging was poor or because some voters are racist or misogynist or because Kamala was a historically unpopular politician. All of those things are true to some extent, but none of those problems were insurmountable.
The democrat party failed because it doesn't offer real solutions to the genuine problems faced by large coalitions of disenfranchised citizens. Instead, the democrats do what's best for the elite that fund them. And then the democrat machinery gaslights and talks downs to those citizens calling them racist, deplorables, uneducated, stupid, homophobic, white trash, rightwing extremists, religious cultists, etc.
And the democrats do that because their party is beholden to the elites who profit off the global order that has devastated larges swaths of the country's identity, dignity and economic well-being. So the democrats are happy to attack republicans for their proposed solutions to these very real problems, but can't offer any solutions of their own.
Its not just Trump. Republicans won up and down the ticket for good reason.
When it comes to inflation and higher prices, the concern is food and energy costs, which the US is self sufficient in for the most part. So tarrifs will have little effect. Bring down energy costs and you bring down the cost of food and other things.
They're not self-sufficient for food, as they import about 15% of their food supply. And for the food they produce in the US, they obviously rely on significant imports for machinery and fertilizer (over 20% of their fertilizer is imported). If you don't think tariffs on those items would put upwards pressure on food production prices, then you're mistaken. And of course you have to consider the possibility of mass deportations and how that may affect the input costs of an industry that has about 40% of its labor being undocumented workers.
As for energy, Trump didn't lower energy prices last time, so why would he now? The 3 years he was in power pre-COVID, oil prices were above they were in the years before he came to power:
Inflation is at the rate the government wants. So what solution is Trump proposing to bring prices down? A recession ? Prices don’t go down because inflation is low.
I am not an economist but why would a tariff imposed on the importer result in the price going down?
I wasn't talking about pricing going down on imports. But to answer your question it wouldn't.
I was talking about food/energy prices which are the single most important thing to most americans and they aren't effected by Tariifs put on T shirts from China.
They're not self-sufficient for food, as they import about 15% of their food supply. And for the food they produce in the US, they obviously rely on significant imports for machinery and fertilizer (over 20% of their fertilizer is imported). If you don't think tariffs on those items would put upwards pressure on food production prices, then you're mistaken. And of course you have to consider the possibility of mass deportations and how that may affect the input costs of an industry that has about 40% of its labor being undocumented workers.
As for energy, Trump didn't lower energy prices last time, so why would he now? The 3 years he was in power pre-COVID, oil prices were above they were in the years before he came to power:
The real decline happened in late 2014, over 2 years before Trump came in to office.
Maybe he won't? But if he holds true to his "dig dig" comment, more energy means less scaricity which means lower prices AT THE PUMP. It is obv more complicated than that.
The more likely thing that happens is he just does nothing but golf and make stupid remarks about world leaders.
Last comment on the food thing, there is competition and there is variety, if one apple brand is more expensive than another apple branch because of tariffs or whatever, you have the choice.
Who said I didn’t like him? I enjoy reading his posts. He called me creepy, I called him creepy, it’s got nothing to do with you.
You must have me confused with someone else because I almost exclusively use the word “creepy” to make fun of people who call other posters “creepy” for mundane things.
This guy gets it. The democrats failed not because its messaging was poor or because some voters are racist or misogynist or because Kamala was a historically unpopular politician. All of those things are true to some extent, but none of those problems were insurmountable.
The democrat party failed because it doesn't offer real solutions to the genuine problems faced by large coalitions of disenfranchised citizens. Instead, the democrats do what's best for the elite that fund them. And then the democrat machinery gaslights and talks downs to those citizens calling them racist, deplorables, uneducated, stupid, homophobic, white trash, rightwing extremists, religious cultists, etc.
And the democrats do that because their party is beholden to the elites who profit off the global order that has devastated larges swaths of the country's identity, dignity and economic well-being. So the democrats are happy to attack republicans for their proposed solutions to these very real problems, but can't offer any solutions of their own.
Its not just Trump. Republicans won up and down the ticket for good reason.
The problem is though that the democrats are the party who is trying to actually help the poor people who rely on government assistance. The republicans (especially under trump) have taken away health care from the poorest, defunded education, reduced social services to poor people and the unemployed. He is a populist but not one who actually assists the people who he claims to be helping. He has catch phrases like "Trump will fix it" with no actual policy behind what. He uses divisive issues that are inconsequential to most of the population as wedge issues (ie transgendered sports) to distract from the fact that all of the adults have left the room.
I honestly don't know what Trump has done to actually support these people who vote for him, because while Trump may listen to them and use their votes - he sure doesn't help them. He sits on a ####ing golden throne for #### sake.
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Maybe he won't? But if he holds true to his "dig dig" comment, more energy means less scaricity which means lower prices AT THE PUMP. It is obv more complicated than that.
The more likely thing that happens is he just does nothing but golf and make stupid remarks about world leaders.
Last comment on the food thing, there is competition and there is variety, if one apple brand is more expensive than another apple branch because of tariffs or whatever, you have the choice.
Except domestic apples won't be cheaper either, becuase they are going to have to pay "real Americans" more money to pick them, take them to market, and work in stores to sell them.
Basic economics? Profit margins? Competition? These things don't change overnight but prices do go down.
None of that is gas lighting but maybe some ignorance on your part
Pardon my ignorance but can you provide some examples of groceries that are significantly and consistently cheaper as a result of his previous tax cuts?
Your current argument appears to be that there is a limit to how much profit a company will want to make. While that is plausible, I think you’ll need a little more than just a trickle down based theory before you can start making claims that lower food prices will be a guaranteed outcome.
Look Mel, I agree with you that some people may be a little guilty of over sensationalizing some of the negative impacts of his tariff policies, but I don’t think countering that with guarantees that you can’t actually guarantee is a much better argument to use when you’re accusing them of gaslighting others. Just my thoughts.
I wasn't talking about pricing going down on imports. But to answer your question it wouldn't.
I was talking about food/energy prices which are the single most important thing to most americans and they aren't effected by Tariifs put on T shirts from China.
I was asked why would food prices go down.
Will the illegal immigrants still be able to pick the food in the United States or will that be jobs for Americans now? Can it look like the Grapes of Wrath because while I only read half the book it sure seemed like a fun family trip to California!
Also the United States imports a lot of food, not a scholarly source but I don't see why you think that the United States doesn't import food and why a tariff wouldn't impact the prices.
Except domestic apples won't be cheaper either, becuase they are going to have to pay "real Americans" more money to pick them, take them to market, and work in stores to sell them.
Oh so illegal immigration DOES drive down wages.....
