American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

If the hard lefties in here think he won because of racism and sexism then they're really out of touch.

It's the hollow promises he made around economy and immigration and his influencer peers making him synonymous with the anti-establishment and anti-wef movements, but that shouldn't have to be spelled out for any one with eyes and ears.

If you've ever sat down with indoctrinated Trump supporters to really try to grasp their mindset you'll rarely hear anything along the lines of "#### x-marginalized group". Their entire mindset is about saving the country and is as much based in fear as those on the left who believe he represents the end to democracy.

[8 Ball]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

And yet they voted for a racist. Hard not to talk down to someone who does something I consider to be reprehensible.

And once again by “they” you mean over half the population of the United States?

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

I don't think that he won because half the people who voted are racist. But I think he won despite of the fact that he is a racist. I don't know how much better that is though

I do think that the racist, sexist, homophobic, and bigoted voters are likely what pushed him across the finish line and secured him the election.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by 8 Ball

And once again by “they” you mean over half the population of the United States?

Just the people who voted for him. They voted for a racist and likely a rapist to be in a position of power, someone who has a track record of being a criminal and a cheat. Someone who has weaponized the courts to pass regressive laws that take away a woman's choice. Someone whose tax proposals are about enriching the richest who are coincidentally his donors. Someone who has been supportive of dictators and tyrants. Someone whose entire business structure bears his name and he is thus liable for foreign interference/influence. Someone who has been influenced in the past. Someone who kept secret records in his ####ing bathroom after he left office and wouldn't give them back...

If someone voted for him they have lost a lot of my respect and I don't see why that is shocking.

[sarge]

Trump’s MAGAts, morons & anyone else who voted for him voted for an adulterer, bully, convicted felon, whiner, insurrectionist, pathological liar, homophobe, rapist, grifter, racist, misogynist, climate change denier, xenophobe, draft dodger, tax evader, serial liar, fascist, sexual predator, national security threat, traitor, failed businessman, wanna be dictator, narcissistic sociopath, blasphemist, con man, fake tough guy, delinquent, dystopian, morally bankrupt, imbecilic scumbag…

Anyone who did vote for him, take a long, hard look at your life. You are failing as a human.

Nuff said…

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Are you effing kidding me? It was a disgrace when the NHL retired his 99 league wide.

McDavid can't touch Wayne's whining with a 12 foot pole.

Ok cupcake. You win.

But don’t go on and on and on and on about it.

[dammage79]

They are how they voted. And handily. mind blowingly openly and honestly. Can't hand wave it away with Dems offered no economic stability.

If an electoral candidate was an accountant for the Nazis, I'm not gonna vote for him so I save a dollar on a load of bread. You have to be able to support the ideological side of that candidates nature.

That country is how they voted. And we aren't far behind.

George Carlin's rant/speech about how they use divisive tool like race, class, sexuality to keep us squabbling amongst ourselves while the rob the populace blind stand more true today than ever before. Just has the added twist of currently coming from one of the most corrupt and openly corrupt humans to grace the human population.

And he got in as a convicted felon. Even if you're a MAGA (Maggot) and think it's all a conspiracy, and all that fluff, they still voted for him. There's no salvaging that country, the justice system is corrupt, the system is corrupt, and theres literally nobody even close to being able to fix it. Nobody.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

If the hard lefties in here think he won because of racism and sexism then they're really out of touch.

Not a hard lefty, but yes, each of those issues prevented people from voting for Harris. If you don't understand that racism and adherence to the structure of the patriarchy are core to the traditional American way of life, you know nothing about culture in the United States. Those very messages were how inroads were made in the Black and Hispanic communities, and why evangelicals and Christians lineup behind certain candidates.

You may find this very hard to believe, but both Black and Hispanic communities are very racist in their own way. Once they achieve any level of status they adopt a high degree of self-loathing toward their own people and work to keep those other people down. Hispanics who have become naturalized are some of the most hardcore supporters of immigration control at the borders. They look down their nose at anyone who is undocumented and want them sent back. It is such strange behavior when they themselves came to the country in the same fashion, but managed to find a path to stay here out of nothing but pure luck or timing.

It's the hollow promises he made around economy and immigration and his influencer peers making him synonymous with the anti-establishment and anti-wef movements, but that shouldn't have to be spelled out for any one with eyes and ears.

Ah, okay. So you're saying he preyed on the stupid and ignorant rather than leverage the cultural fabric of middle America? I guess that would make sense considering all the conspiracy theories they believe in. And god knows, you'd rather be stupid than be racist or misogynistic. I think there is a combination of both. I think you're pretty stupid if you are racist and misogynistic and Trump leaned into all of above to gain votes.

If you've ever sat down with indoctrinated Trump supporters to really try to grasp their mindset you'll rarely hear anything along the lines of "#### x-marginalized group". Their entire mindset is about saving the country and is as much based in fear as those on the left who believe he represents the end to democracy.

I'm dying to hear about your experience in sitting down with indoctrinated Trump supporters. Do you sit down with them daily? Please share your experiences! Let me tell you some of my experience with those folks, many of which I engage with multiple times a week and am in their circle of friends. They are "nice" people, but you have to accept them for who they are. Here are some of their greatest and most regular hits.

We have a lone black member in our golf club. They refer to him as "one of the good ones" when he's not around. When he brings a guest with him, many comment about the place starting to "look like a ghetto" or "it's getting rather dark around here." Not racist in any shape or form.

Our neighborhood is pretty much maintained by Hispanics, many of which do not speak English. If you want to speak to someone without engaging them in Spanish you have to speak to the foreman. I've heard those young men berated for not speaking American and being told to get their asses across the border where they belong. The landscaping companies are not referred to by their chosen name, but instead as "The Wetback" for one, "The Beaner Boys" for another, or the "The Greasers" for a third. It is appalling and I correct them every time. They view these hardworking people as subhuman and treat them that way.

My wife still works and loves what she does. I am continually asked why I "allow" my wife to work, and why I don't wear the pants in the family? I've heard the same thing said to other people in similar situations. The only one who doesn't have to listen to that crap is a guy who is retired and is being supported by his much younger wife who works for one of the local District Attorney Offices. He gets by because he's a "kept man". We recently had one of on-course beverage service attendants (cart girls, or cart tarts as they like to call them) start in the shop behind the counter. Complaints were immediately made because only men can be professionals and should be behind the counter. Not misogynistic.

I could go on and on about the stupid #### they say on pretty much every topic, and the stupid #### they believe when facts counter those beliefs. Trumpers are unique individuals and something you should only take in small doses. They are very "nice" people, but I don't find them to be overly bright, not kind, and very regimented in how they approach everything. The man makes the decisions, the woman should serve the man, and the white is always right.

The things you have to put up with to play golf.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence....

There is no extraordinary claim, except perhaps the strawman that you constructed.

[T-Dog]

Originally Posted by sarge

Trump’s MAGAts, morons & anyone else who voted for him voted for an adulterer, bully, convicted felon, whiner, insurrectionist, serial liar, homophobe, rapist, scammer, grifter, racist, misogynist, draft dodger, tax evader, serial liar, fascist, sexual predator, national security threat, traitor, failed businessman, wanna be dictator, narcissistic sociopath, blasphemist, con man, fake tough guy, delinquent, dystopian, morally bankrupt, imbecilic scumbag…

Anyone who did vote for him, take a long, hard look at your life. You are failing as a human.

Nuff said…

All of these labels about Trump are true, but in a democracy its generally about the society and not the leader. Democracies end up with the leader they deserve and that represents the underlying health of the society. I think there is lots to assess with this election when you have a majority of voters electing a leader with so many obvious faults and general lack of character. He speaks to the white middle class American who feels like he has been left behind by globalization and offshoring of American jobs. For them, Trump at least is the candidate that makes them feel heard and like they could have a place in the world.

I think it also speaks to failures of the institutions of healthy democracies. Over the last 20 years there has been an erosion of independent, fact-based journalism. A lot of misinformation is spread on the internet and social media (with Trump being a big pusher of the "fake news" sentiment that basically allows him to deny any reporting about him to his base - anything negative about him reported in the mainstream news simply isn't true!

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Not a hard lefty, but yes, each of those issues prevented people from voting for Harris. If you don't understand that racism and adherence to the structure of the patriarchy are core to the traditional American way of life, you know nothing about culture in the United States. Those very messages were how inroads were made in the Black and Hispanic communities, and why evangelicals and Christians lineup behind certain candidates.

You may find this very hard to believe, but both Black and Hispanic communities are very racist in their own way. Once they achieve any level of status they adopt a high degree of self-loathing toward their own people and work to keep those other people down. Hispanics who have become naturalized are some of the most hardcore supporters of immigration control at the borders. They look down their nose at anyone who is undocumented and want them sent back. It is such strange behavior when they themselves came to the country in the same fashion, but managed to find a path to stay here out of nothing but pure luck or timing.



Ah, okay. So you're saying he preyed on the stupid and ignorant rather than leverage the cultural fabric of middle America? I guess that would make sense considering all the conspiracy theories they believe in. And god knows, you'd rather be stupid than be racist or misogynistic. I think there is a combination of both. I think you're pretty stupid if you are racist and misogynistic and Trump leaned into all of above to gain votes.



I'm dying to hear about your experience in sitting down with indoctrinated Trump supporters. Do you sit down with them daily? Please share your experiences! Let me tell you some of my experience with those folks, many of which I engage with multiple times a week and am in their circle of friends. They are "nice" people, but you have to accept them for who they are. Here are some of their greatest and most regular hits.

We have a lone black member in our golf club. They refer to him as "one of the good ones" when he's not around. When he brings a guest with him, many comment about the place starting to "look like a ghetto" or "it's getting rather dark around here." Not racist in any shape or form.

Our neighborhood is pretty much maintained by Hispanics, many of which do not speak English. If you want to speak to someone without engaging them in Spanish you have to speak to the foreman. I've heard those young men berated for not speaking American and being told to get their asses across the border where they belong. The landscaping companies are not referred to by their chosen name, but instead as "The Wetback" for one, "The Beaner Boys" for another, or the "The Greasers" for a third. It is appalling and I correct them every time. They view these hardworking people as subhuman and treat them that way.

My wife still works and loves what she does. I am continually asked why I "allow" my wife to work, and why I don't wear the pants in the family? I've heard the same thing said to other people in similar situations. The only one who doesn't have to listen to that crap is a guy who is retired and is being supported by his much younger wife who works for one of the local District Attorney Offices. He gets by because he's a "kept man". We recently had one of on-course beverage service attendants (cart girls, or cart tarts as they like to call them) start in the shop behind the counter. Complaints were immediately made because only men can be professionals and should be behind the counter. Not misogynistic.

I could go on and on about the stupid #### they say on pretty much every topic, and the stupid #### they believe when facts counter those beliefs. Trumpers are unique individuals and something you should only take in small doses. They are very "nice" people, but I don't find them to be overly bright, not kind, and very regimented in how they approach everything. The man makes the decisions, the woman should serve the man, and the white is always right.

The things you have to put up with to play golf.

If challenged to these people claim to be “not racist”

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

Please don’t even joke about an actor becoming President. If they become that desperate just dismantle the party and let someone competent start a new one.

And who's the vice president going to be? Jerry Lewis?

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Not a Kimmel fan but it was a good monologue.

Ahh yes, Jimmy Kimme: defender of women and minority rights.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1854969596132180475

[GullFoss]

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His policy plank around public sector governance reform is so racist and misogynist! And full of right wing extremism! How could women and minorities vote for this???

https://twitter.com/user/status/1854717077837562314

Term limits?

Closing the revolving door between regulators and the companies they regulate?

What a nazzzzzzzzzzzi!

[DownInFlames]

I’m not a Kimmel fan but it’s possible that a person can change. And even if he still acted like he did in the Man Show days he’d be far less repugnant than Trump.

[DownInFlames]

10. All of my videos will feature the score from the 2003 film Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World.

[Senator Clay Davis]

The full list of Vermont election results lists all write-ins. And there are some fairly hilarious write ins. Some notable people to receive a vote include Connor Roy, Randy Marsh, FlavaFlav, Danzig, Deion, and JFK Jr. Alas no love for Deez Nuts in Vermont, 0 votes so far.

https://electionresults.vermont.gov/#/federal

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by FurnaceFace

To me It's really a Maslow Hierarchy of Needs like situation. It seems a majority of voters feel the economy is the biggest issue. They are worried about affording rent, food, and other basic needs. One party talks endlessly about how the party in power caused this, and we can fix it, here's some broad ideas and the party n charge doesn't really push back a lot, and focuses on "that guy is evil, don't vote for him." I found it strange how Harris et al never seemed to have a message of:
"we just came out of an unprecedented global event, the entire world hurt from it, but you know what, we're doing way better than other countries. Inflation was high, it was hard for everyone, but we've brought it down and now we are at 2%. The best in the world. Our policies brought it down, and with other policies like [a national minimum wage, loan forgiveness, infrastructure investment to get more of you highly skilled blue collar workers back to work in your industries, et al] we will continue to improve."
I'm sure political writers could do better. The point is there was an opportunity to address the concerns, and simply state how you will improve it, while also explaining tariffs in simple terms. Perhaps they were too gunshy of that because they felt it would be easy to argue Harris was in charge when it was bad. I still think she should have leaned into that, and said I was in charge, and I brought it down faster than anyone could have. That, or just distanced herself completely from Joe: " Joe was the leader, I wasn't, I'd do things differently."

I find it amazing how poorly they read the biggest demographic and didn't understand their biggest issue. Perhaps hindsight, but she was really cut off at the knees: clear ties to an administration people were upset with, 107 days to get people to really know her, and then race and gender that will have played smaller parts, but had to still be there.
I'd like to see the parallel universe where Biden withdraws in January, and Wilmer, Newsom, or someone from outside the administration was the candidate with more time to connect.

Honestly this is exactly how I feel about the Alberta NDP as well. Two campaigns now they have focused on attacking the UCP instead of focusing on actual issues. This seems to be a failing of the left/center right now - relying on people to be educated on issues and placing integrity of the opponent instead of the integrity of the issues.

I think Trump is a threat to democracy, but even I was sick of hearing about it from Harris, instead of touting HOW they are better, just the assumption that people see how they can be better.

Trump used his soundbite attacks and made up how he would be better (true or not) and people wanted that.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

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His policy plank around public sector governance reform is so racist and misogynist! And full of right wing extremism! How could women and minorities vote for this???

https://twitter.com/user/status/1854717077837562314

Term limits?

Closing the revolving door between regulators and the companies they regulate?

What a nazzzzzzzzzzzi!

Which is why he's going to give Musk carte blanche rule over them?



It's pretty amazing how blatantly blind Trump supporters are. I couldn't imagine eating enough paste to believe that Trump would clean up government.

[Fuzz]

The best people.