Harris refused to engage with all those people, and the media (and much of the left for that matter) had vilified independent media or podcasts for a long time.
"Rogan is a nutjob."
Okay then. That worked out great 2 days ago.
The trouble is the left wing message is serious boring, complex and involved and so will not be helped by Joe Rogan et all, Trump works on Rogan because he's a clown with a clowns message
The trouble is the left wing message is serious boring, complex and involved and so will not be helped by Joe Rogan et all, Trump works on Rogan because he's a clown with a clowns message
This isn't true.
Sanders & Fetterman both went on Rogan and I think you have to be pretty dumb to say that their interviews weren't a massive win for both of them.
Of course, both of them actually appeal to the working class instead of the typical elitist stupidity popular with the left these days.
Sanders & Fetterman both went on Rogan and I think you have to be pretty dumb to say that their interviews weren't a massive win for both of them.
Of course, both of them actually appeal to the working class instead of the typical elitist stupidity popular with the left these days.
The public is actively calling for non-insiders like Sanders and Fetterman to be placed into positions of power. Instead we get the ultra wealthy running for president and diehard democratic supporters stating that the reason for the Democrat's lack of success is that people without university degrees are ignorant.
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Given in the inability of many on the left to understand this, early indications of the 2028 election have JD Vance winning.
I think you need to separate "the left" from liberals. American liberals are centre-right. The American left is Bernie Sanders, etc. The left has been pounding the "make things better for working class people and stop the elitist bull####" since 2016. Liberals are the ones who keep playing the virtue-signal, identity politics, and courting neocons game.
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So, completely irrelevant to the point that I was making.
Your point is that going on the show was a "massive win" for Sanders and that he appeals to a much wider base than someone like Harris. Yet that didn't actually translate into votes; with the same voter sample in Vermont, Harris received more support than Sanders did.
People like to think Sanders has wide appeal, but he really doesn't. His populist message works with some demographics, including ones that the Democrats have trouble reaching. But there's a reason that Biden absolutely dominated him in the swing states in the 2020 primary. That's not to say they shouldn't be focusing more on bread and butter issues, because they should. But people vastly overestimate Sanders' popularity as a politician.
People like to think Sanders has wide appeal, but he really doesn't. His populist message works with some demographics, including ones that the Democrats have trouble reaching. But there's a reason that Biden absolutely dominated him in the swing states in the 2020 primary. That's not to say they shouldn't be focusing more on bread and butter issues, because they should. But people vastly overestimate Sanders' popularity as a politician.
I mean part of the reason for Biden "dominating" in 2020 was the absolute rat####ing the Dems engaged in behind the scenes.
Did I miss where Bernie got screwed in 2020? 2016 he has a beef, but I cannot recall where he got "rat####ed" in 2020. Pretty sure it was just he won the early states, then it went to South Carolina where he got crushed, and Biden rolled from there.
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Did I miss where Bernie got screwed in 2020? 2016 he has a beef, but I cannot recall where he got "rat####ed" in 2020. Pretty sure it was just he won the early states, then it went to South Carolina where he got crushed, and Biden rolled from there.
Wasn't as bad as 2016 but there was still shenanigans.
The Iowa caucus was an absolute cluster####. Then you had people like Pelosi and Obama calling the other primary candidates and convincing them to drop out and put their support behind Biden.
Wasn't as bad as 2016 but there was still shenanigans.
The Iowa caucus was an absolute cluster####. Then you had people like Pelosi and Obama calling the other primary candidates and convincing them to drop out and put their support behind Biden.
So it made it a 1v1 and Biden beat Bernie substantially.
There sure are a lot of progressives who like to come in these post loss threads to do an "I told you so" victory lap and relishing the Harris loss.
And yet we're supposed to believe that progressives weren't sitting this election out (or voting Trump) to make a point?
Seems like a stretch to think they either sat out or voted Trump as some sort of "point making". It's just as likely they voted for Harris as a "least worst" option, but can still criticize her because Trump won blocs of voters progressives wish Harris made more overtures to.
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Seems like a stretch to think they either sat out or voted Trump as some sort of "point making". It's just as likely they voted for Harris as a "least worst" option, but can still criticize her because Trump won blocs of voters progressives wish Harris made more overtures to.
Voter turnout was lower, and Trump did about the same as last time, while Harris got fewer votes than Biden. Sure seems like a lot of democrats just didn't show up, and a few may have changed their votes.
It's just as likely, and maybe more so, that moderate and centrists Dems didn't show up cause they didn't love Harris, and their lives won't suffer much under Trump, so no biggie to them not to vote. Progressives choosing to sit out, even as Trump is basically promising to crush progressivism, seems less likely. But who knows for sure?
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The reason the Dem's are center right is the same reason that Labour in the UK has gone center, because every time they try moving left they get utterly buggered in the election, there are places in the US that will support a slightly more left wing view and in those areas you can get a Sanders, and AOC or a Liz Warren bit they wouldn't get elected as dog catchers in Virginia or N Carolina
Political Parties represent the voters that support them, no one voted for Trump because they thought Harris wasn't left wing enough for them, they voted for Trump because he convinced them that non white people eat cats and Harris was ok with that, he was elected on a wave of nativist racism by voters who are frightened of the Chinese TV they just bought
It's just as likely, and maybe more so, that moderate and centrists Dems didn't show up cause they didn't love Harris, and their lives won't suffer much under Trump, so no biggie to them not to vote. Progressives choosing to sit out, even as Trump is basically promising to crush progressivism, seems less likely. But who knows for sure?
I'm pretty tuned into that demographic, and they were more engaged, had more lawn signs, were out campaigning and volunteering at polls, etc... than any election since Obama's first election.
