2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[dammage79]

Elias Lindholm had red flags when the Flames traded for him too. There were a ton of arguments prior to that trade when we here at CP were dredging up names to for the Flames to hopefully acquire. Turns out we got the best version of Elias Lindholm in his playing career.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

The odds of drafting a very good young player with a pick in the 20-32 range of the 1st round is low and the odds of hitting on a pick in the 2nd round is almost as likely. If you add a proven player with a late 1st and keep your mid picks, I think that makes sense. I prefer to just trade a guy like Rasmus to get the center though. IMO, we need at least 1 top 5 pick. Adding for the future but subtracting now is the best way to manage this.

If the trade river requires draft capital to get a Cozens, then Conny can recoup any spent draft capital by trading veterans like Razz, and add some goodies on top

[Braden]

Originally Posted by dammage79

It's one single pick going out the door in the Monahan trade. That's it. It's not like there's multiple picks going out the door on conditions.

Yeah well puckpedia has the 4th listed with slide conditions based on FLA's 1st.

I see 1 extra first this year, one extra 2nd, but we traded our fourth

So that's 1 extra pick for 2025

2026 we have one extra 1st and one extra 3rd

What am I missing? Is that not 3 extra picks over the next 3 years? I'm failing to see 6 additional picks

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Well, the post I was responding to was describing a scenario where we would finish in the middle of the pack, and end up with 2 late-first picks in this year’s draft. It’s my contention that, with the picks we have this year and next, it would be a better scenario to finish much lower in the standings in order to secure one or two of the top centres that will be available. If we suffer now with losses, it may benefit us long-term.

I think it's pretty imperative that we finish pretty low this year... not just because of the 11 million conditions on the Monahan trade of which 1 could result in a nightmare scenario.

Conroy did a great job stocking up the pipeline on the blueline with all the prospects in trade + the past draft with Parekh and Mews + guys we already had, our wing depth is also very good (we have to many decent wingers at the NHL level and the pipeline is pretty good)... but our C depth in terms of both the NHL level and the prospect pool is the dogs breakfast. We have a glaring need to get a elite skilled center into the System and this could be our only/best opportunity to do so. If you're wondering why I saw only/best it's because I'm a big believer in Dustin Wolf... all he's done every step of the way to the NHL is put up video game numbers, collect trophies, and be a beast in net... once he's a fully formed NHL'er I expect he'll do the same which is a great thing for us to have but that still leaves us short on a essential ingrediant for a Championship calibre team (The elite C) without a realistic means of acquiring it because those guys aren't often available outside the top of the draft.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Parallex

I think it's pretty imperative that we finish pretty low this year... not just because of the 11 million conditions on the Monahan trade that could result in a nightmare scenario.

Conroy did a great job stocking up the pipeline on the blueline with all the prospects in trade + the past draft with Parekh and Mews + guys we already had, our wing depth is also very good (we have to many decent wingers at the NHL level and the pipeline is pretty good)... but our C depth in terms of both the NHL level and the prospect pool is the dogs breakfast. We have a glaring need to get a elite skilled center into the System and this could be our only/best opportunity to do so. If you're wondering why I saw only/best it's because I'm a big believer in Dustin Wolf... all he's done every step of the way to the NHL is put up video game numbers, collect trophies, and be a beast in net... once he's a fully formed NHL'er I expect he'll do the same which is a great thing for us to have but that still leaves us short on a essential ingrediant for a Championship calibre team (The elite C) without a realistic means of acquiring it because those guys aren't often available outside the top of the draft.

Great summary. I also agree on Wolf. His development into what I think will be a top 7-8 goalie in the league also puts a time limit on drafting high. Wolf already looks like a solid NHL goaltender. If he becomes an elite goaltender as early as next year, the flames chances of ever drafting top 10 again in this retool/rebuild really starts to drop off. Elite goalies can turn bad teams into mediocre teams and turn mediocre teams into great teams.

Add in the fact that the flames strongest prospect depth is in defencemen. Defence, similar to goaltending, can make teams more competitive than their talent up front should suggest. Pretty much every year there’s a team with below average talent in their forward ranks that makes the playoffs and is competitive simply because they have a strong defensive core. It’s rare to see a playoff team with the opposite disparity (i.e. strong forward group and weak defence). The flames could have a strong defensive core at the NHL level early on in the rebuild (maybe 2 years from now) which could also make them more competitive earlier than expected.

Of course, a lot can happen to alter the course of the retool/rebuild. Wolf could struggle this year and next. Andersson could be traded during the season and leave a huge hole on defence that the flames can’t compensate for. It’s early in the season still.

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I see what you're saying, but I think guys like Weegar, Coles, Sharky, and Kadri are definitely not playing up to their usual standards, and will surely get better as the year goes on. Kadri has only 7 points, and has the worst plus/minus on the team at -10 (the next worst is Sharky at -4). As the vets catch up, the team will get much better.

I agree that some vets are probably not at their usual standard. My thought was more that if this team is going improve on the last couple years then it will be because the youth have really taken a step. You are correct that some of the vets have not been similar to last year. If some veterans are not at their usual standards, it means the youth needs to take a larger step this year.

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by Parallex

I think it's pretty imperative that we finish pretty low this year... not just because of the 11 million conditions on the Monahan trade of which 1 could result in a nightmare scenario.

Conroy did a great job stocking up the pipeline on the blueline with all the prospects in trade + the past draft with Parekh and Mews + guys we already had, our wing depth is also very good (we have to many decent wingers at the NHL level and the pipeline is pretty good)... but our C depth in terms of both the NHL level and the prospect pool is the dogs breakfast. We have a glaring need to get an elite skilled center into the System and this could be our only/best opportunity to do so. If you're wondering why I saw only/best it's because I'm a big believer in Dustin Wolf... all he's done every step of the way to the NHL is put up video game numbers, collect trophies, and be a beast in net... once he's a fully formed NHL'er I expect he'll do the same which is a great thing for us to have but that still leaves us short on a essential ingrediant for a Championship calibre team (The elite C) without a realistic means of acquiring it because those guys aren't often available outside the top of the draft.

Okay. I guess Conroy sends a memo to Huska saying don’t forget to tell the players to lose all their games. It’s for the future.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Elias Lindholm had red flags when the Flames traded for him too. There were a ton of arguments prior to that trade when we here at CP were dredging up names to for the Flames to hopefully acquire. Turns out we got the best version of Elias Lindholm in his playing career.

Lots of chatter when we got him that he was ready to pop and was put on a line with one of the best playmakers in the league.

Lindholm is also someone who can't carry a line. When you trade for a C you need that person to carry the line, not be someone who watches his wingers do everything for him.

So far Cozens has shown he has to be carried, that is not that of player we need playing the most important position in hockey.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by parallex

i think it's pretty imperative that we finish pretty low this year... Not just because of the 11 million conditions on the monahan trade of which 1 could result in a nightmare scenario.

Conroy did a great job stocking up the pipeline on the blueline with all the prospects in trade + the past draft with parekh and mews + guys we already had, our wing depth is also very good (we have to many decent wingers at the nhl level and the pipeline is pretty good)... But our c depth in terms of both the nhl level and the prospect pool is the dogs breakfast. We have a glaring need to get a elite skilled center into the system and this could be our only/best opportunity to do so. If you're wondering why i saw only/best it's because i'm a big believer in dustin wolf... All he's done every step of the way to the nhl is put up video game numbers, collect trophies, and be a beast in net... Once he's a fully formed nhl'er i expect he'll do the same which is a great thing for us to have but that still leaves us short on a essential ingrediant for a championship calibre team (the elite c) without a realistic means of acquiring it because those guys aren't often available outside the top of the draft.

100%.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Parallex

I think it's pretty imperative that we finish pretty low this year... not just because of the 11 million conditions on the Monahan trade of which 1 could result in a nightmare scenario.

Conroy did a great job stocking up the pipeline on the blueline with all the prospects in trade + the past draft with Parekh and Mews + guys we already had, our wing depth is also very good (we have to many decent wingers at the NHL level and the pipeline is pretty good)... but our C depth in terms of both the NHL level and the prospect pool is the dogs breakfast. We have a glaring need to get a elite skilled center into the System and this could be our only/best opportunity to do so. If you're wondering why I saw only/best it's because I'm a big believer in Dustin Wolf... all he's done every step of the way to the NHL is put up video game numbers, collect trophies, and be a beast in net... once he's a fully formed NHL'er I expect he'll do the same which is a great thing for us to have but that still leaves us short on a essential ingrediant for a Championship calibre team (The elite C) without a realistic means of acquiring it because those guys aren't often available outside the top of the draft.

Both St. Louis and Vegas managed to acquire their top centres outside of the draft, so it can be done....it's just very difficult to do.

The Flames' record thus far is skewed by lucky bounces and timely bad goal calls. They should have lost at least 3 of the games they won, putting them at the bottom of the standings.

The easiest way to deal with the centre issue would be to trade Andersson for a good centre prospect. You're potentially killing two birds with one stone. Without Andersson, the defence is horrible and the Flames almost certainly tank. Plus the centre prospect you get for Andersson could develop into a #1 centre themselves, giving the Flames a solid #1-2 punch. I'm assuming that this is the organization's plan, and the Flames just haven't found a taker for Andersson willing to offer a high end centre prospect/young player.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Just because Lundell plays on the third line now doesn't mean he's a third liner.

Given additional ice and being moved up brought Lundell to a PPG. Now, he's eventually get less ice time as players return, or maybe not?

But he showed what he can do with additional ice time.

Necas was apparently available in the Tkachuk trade. Flames wanted the sure thing in Huberdeau so chose the Florida offer.

The Necas offer is interesting. He hadn't broken out yet. But neither had Lindholm and Hanifin when we acquired them. Treliving's best trade was Hamilton for those two, taking the risk that the upside was there and not far off.

Surprising that Treliving didn't use the same strategy with Necas who by all accounts had a tonne of talent but hadn't put it altogether yet.

[NegativeSpace]

I think some people think that it is easy to just decide we are going to lose all the games and trade all the veterans. Nothing Conroy has said to date indicates that he thinks along those lines. Some people are setting themselves up for disappointment.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by blankall

Both St. Louis and Vegas managed to acquire their top centres outside of the draft, so it can be done....it's just very difficult to do.

The Flames' record thus far is skewed by lucky bounces and timely bad goal calls. They should have lost at least 3 of the games they won, putting them at the bottom of the standings.

The easiest way to deal with the centre issue would be to trade Andersson for a good centre prospect. You're potentially killing two birds with one stone. Without Andersson, the defence is horrible and the Flames almost certainly tank. Plus the centre prospect you get for Andersson could develop into a #1 centre themselves, giving the Flames a solid #1-2 punch. I'm assuming that this is the organization's plan, and the Flames just haven't found a taker for Andersson willing to offer a high end centre prospect/young player.

The present Caps also. And TB got its drafting outside a top pick. Same with the Hurricanes, Isles (plus Horvat via trade).

[JJJ]

Originally Posted by Sandman

100%.

Hey Sandman, what's your take on some of the Seattle centre prospects?

Seattle seems like a near perfect trade partner: cap space, a need for someone like Anderson, and almost too many centre prospects. The ask from Seattle for Wright/Catton may put them out of reach so was more wondering about the "second tier" of centre prospects (Molgaard, Goyette, Miettinen, Villeneuve etc) that could add a decent middle six centre prospect.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Elias Lindholm had red flags when the Flames traded for him too. There were a ton of arguments prior to that trade when we here at CP were dredging up names to for the Flames to hopefully acquire. Turns out we got the best version of Elias Lindholm in his playing career.

I would agree, I think we got the absolute best of his career fortunately.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The present Caps also. And TB got its drafting outside a top pick. Same with the Hurricanes, Isles (plus Horvat via trade).

Patrice Bergeron was a second round pick too. Roope Hintz a second as well.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by JJJ

Hey Sandman, what's your take on some of the Seattle centre prospects?

Seattle seems like a near perfect trade partner: cap space, a need for someone like Anderson, and almost too many centre prospects. The ask from Seattle for Wright/Catton may put them out of reach so was more wondering about the "second tier" of centre prospects (Molgaard, Goyette, Miettinen, Villeneuve etc) that could add a decent middle six centre prospect.

Yeah, I would think Wright and Catton are no-go's.

Carson Rehkopf is listed as a C/W, but he's mostly a W- still, he would be an awesome get. He's 6'3", skates well, and has been dominating the OHL- with 95 points in 60 games last year, and 28 points in 14 games this year. I'm sure he's off limits too, but dare to dream.

Miettinen is a 6'3" power forward who I've watched plenty of, and I like him- he plays a real North American game, and is physical with no fear of going to the front of the net. Only 16 points in 15 games so far though.

6'1" Ollie Josephson is a scrappy player with boundless energy and superb skating who can play a shutdown role. I love the kid, but he may not have top-6 upside.

I wrote a pretty glowing report of Nathan Villeneuve leading up to the draft- he's a nasty bugger with a 6'0" frame, highly physical, drives opponents nuts, endless energy, excellent speed, and a good two-way game. He's in your face, and will drop the gloves in a second, but he's also perhaps not suited to be a top-6 player. He was suspended for 15 games last season for putting a bounty on Kashawn Aitcheson.

Oskar Fisker-Molgaard is intriguing as a 6'0" C who plays a workmanlike, detailed defensive game- much like a Mikael Backlund, and can chip in with some offense. He too, might be a third-line option going forward.

David Goyette is a pure offensive forward, who I see as boom-or-bust, and he's only got 2 points in 6 AHL games this year. Speed, and skill to burn, but his intensity wanes and he's not physical. I also don't see him playing C in the NHL, as his defensive game is lacking. He can shoot, but he's also got keen vision to make dazzling plays. High upside, if he can figure it out.

Ryan Winterton is 6'2", but is also a more defense-oriented C that can chip in a little offense.

I should add that they have some other intriguing prospects that aren't C, such as D Caden Price (who the Flames were rumoured to really like at the draft), LW Clarke Caswell, D Lukas Dragicevic, RW Jagger Firkus, RW Eduard Sale, RW Jani Nyman, and G Kim Saarinen.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by blankall

Both St. Louis and Vegas managed to acquire their top centres outside of the draft, so it can be done....it's just very difficult to do.

The Flames' record thus far is skewed by lucky bounces and timely bad goal calls. They should have lost at least 3 of the games they won, putting them at the bottom of the standings.

The easiest way to deal with the centre issue would be to trade Andersson for a good centre prospect. You're potentially killing two birds with one stone. Without Andersson, the defence is horrible and the Flames almost certainly tank. Plus the centre prospect you get for Andersson could develop into a #1 centre themselves, giving the Flames a solid #1-2 punch. I'm assuming that this is the organization's plan, and the Flames just haven't found a taker for Andersson willing to offer a high end centre prospect/young player.

I think the Flames have a real conundrum on their hands.

I think they do want to keep Andersson, especially if he’s willing to stay. I think the Flames, rightly so, place high value on impactful guys who want to stay.i also think they see Andersson as a pivotal piece to their leadership group.

On the other hand, his value is undeniable. Dealing him would immediately weaken the team and leave a gap that could be very difficult to fill even with several strong, or better, RHD prospects. On a sense he’s a bit like Bouwmeester. The minute you move him the minute you need to find a guy just like him. It could take years to fill that gap.

I think the determining factor here is, what does Rasmus want? A little over a year ago he was being discussed as a candidate to wear the C. On the other hand we’ve heard he wants to win.

I think this is right at the top of the list for interesting Flames stories this year. That and how do the young players/prospects develop.

[Ba'alzamon]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Carson Rehkopf is listed as a C/W, but he's mostly a W- still, he would be an awesome get. He's 6'3", skates well, and has been dominating the OHL- with 95 points in 60 games last year, and 28 points in 14 games this year. I'm sure he's off limits too, but dare to dream.

Rehkopf is also really bad on faceoffs. Like, hilariously bad. There's more to being a center than taking draws, obviously, but...

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