2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Goriders

What’s to cry about?

We dumped the majority of our big ticket underperforming vets.
We’re a pretty young team with young players making a mark.
We have tons of draft picks over the next 3 years.
We have tons of cap space.
We’re already relatively competitive and will only get better. We’re essentially at rock bottom now.

Personally I don’t think everyone should be crying.

Well, the post I was responding to was describing a scenario where we would finish in the middle of the pack, and end up with 2 late-first picks in this year’s draft. It’s my contention that, with the picks we have this year and next, it would be a better scenario to finish much lower in the standings in order to secure one or two of the top centres that will be available. If we suffer now with losses, it may benefit us long-term.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Goriders

What’s to cry about?

We dumped the majority of our big ticket underperforming vets.
We’re a pretty young team with young players making a mark.
We have tons of draft picks over the next 3 years.
We have tons of cap space.
We’re already relatively competitive and will only get better. We’re essentially at rock bottom now.

Personally I don’t think everyone should be crying.

I agree with a lot of this except the being at rock bottom, I think we have a little way to go to get there yet. Not much but a little. Either way, so far so good. Stay the course, fill that rink

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Well, the post I was responding to was describing a scenario where we would finish in the middle of the pack, and end up with 2 late-first picks in this year’s draft. It’s my contention that, with the picks we have this year and next, it would be a better scenario to finish much lower in the standings in order to secure one or two of the top centres that will be available. If we suffer now with losses, it may benefit us long-term.

Definitely need top end talent at center. The team isn't going anywhere until they draft one or probably two studs at that position.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Goriders

What’s to cry about?

We dumped the majority of our big ticket underperforming vets.
We’re a pretty young team with young players making a mark.
We have tons of draft picks over the next 3 years.
We have tons of cap space.
We’re already relatively competitive and will only get better. We’re essentially at rock bottom now.

Personally I don’t think everyone should be crying.

Not sure where rock bottom lies, but I agree with what you're saying.

If you look at the last calendar year and take away the transactions because Calgary was in the thick of it, and either let rentals walk or signed them to bloated contracts you have to like where the team is.

Value in transactions in young players and picks.
A hugely successful draft.

The team did a great job in asset management in the last 15 months.

If the Hab/Fla pick swap bites them in the ass it's annoying, but not as bad as it could have been if they didn't have that terrible start last year.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Goriders

What’s to cry about?

We dumped the majority of our big ticket underperforming vets.
We’re a pretty young team with young players making a mark.
We have tons of draft picks over the next 3 years.
We have tons of cap space.
We’re already relatively competitive and will only get better. We’re essentially at rock bottom now.

Personally I don’t think everyone should be crying.

The fact that Calgary is relatively competitive is what is essentially preventing them from getting much better.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

The fact that Calgary is relatively competitive is what is essentially preventing them from getting much better.

Doesn't change what he's saying.

We are 13 games in.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Doesn't change what he's saying.

We are 13 games in.

Agreed. But Calgary is not as bad as SJ and Chicago were last year.

They are definitely a tier above that and its no certainty they will finish bottom 10.

I think this season's fortunes depend on 2 things:

(1) Whether Andersson gets traded this year; and
(2) Whether the goaltending can stay at the existing level, or close to it.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Buffalo and Seattle hang up the phone on either of those.

100% agree, these are some of the claims of other posters in the last few days.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Agreed. But Calgary is not as bad as SJ and Chicago were last year.

They are definitely a tier above that and its no certainty they will finish bottom 10.

I think this season's fortunes depend on 2 things:

(1) Whether Andersson gets traded this year; and
(2) Whether the goaltending can stay at the existing level, or close to it.

I'd add whether or not they can continue to out work the opposition.

The NHL ramps up every quarter, and that might prove quite the challenge to a team that doesn't score a lot of goals.

[dammage79]

I don't expect much life from the Flames post ASG.

[Braden]

Originally Posted by Goriders

What’s to cry about?

We dumped the majority of our big ticket underperforming vets.
We’re a pretty young team with young players making a mark.
We have tons of draft picks over the next 3 years.
We have tons of cap space.
We’re already relatively competitive and will only get better. We’re essentially at rock bottom now.

Personally I don’t think everyone should be crying.

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I personally don't understand why everyone thinks that, over the course of the next 3 years we have what, 3 extra draft selections? To me that is not tons of picks. We needs tons of picks, the sell of must continue.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Braden

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I personally don't understand why everyone thinks that, over the course of the next 3 years we have what, 3 extra draft selections? To me that is not tons of picks. We needs tons of picks, the sell of must continue.

I think we have an extra 6 in the first 4 rounds over the next two years.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by stemit14

What should Mantha and Kuzmenko each return at the TDL? I would be surprised if either of them returned more than a 3rd round pick. And that’s fine. I was not expecting much of a market for streaky wingers that would likely play as middle six forwards. Wingers rarely return much in trade when they are just rentals unless they of the elite level. For either Kuzmenko or Mantha to return more than a 3rd, they would have to play at a high level that neither of them have really shown before with much consistency.

I like Kuzmenko’s skill set and the positive attitude he brings to the team but, if I were to guess, I think he will end up back in the KHL next year.

I think Mantha nets a higher return. He's got the attributes that NHL GMs love. Size, skill, a great shot. Can be nasty. The problem is consistency but for a playoff run he's the type of guy they will add. I think he gets you a 2nd.

Kuz on the other hand is the opposite. He doesn't have those attributes GMs are seeking. I can see a team wanting to add him for their PP but most teams in the playoffs will have a strong PP1 already if not two units. I think you gets you a 3rd.

[Braden]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I think we have an extra 6 in the first 4 rounds over the next two years.

Are you forgetting the conditional picks we have yet to send out?

[Royle9]

The smart critic would see that these Flames don't have the skillset or lineup to go deep and win the cup, but they do have the ability to play themselves into that mediocrity middle of the pack grouping we all so much love.

It's absolutely critical we pick top 10 this year so we dont have to forfeit that pick to MTL.

These next 2 drafts have absolute superstars in the top 3.
I think its very critical that the Flames continue their rebuild and focus on the future by trading some veterans and shoring up their cupboards with picks and perhaps an A+ young player if available.

By no means should Calgary mortgage their future on trading assets away for aging veterans, and I don't believe that's lost on Craig.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Braden

Are you forgetting the conditional picks we have yet to send out?

It's one single pick going out the door in the Monahan trade. That's it. It's not like there's multiple picks going out the door on conditions.

[Yeah_Baby]

I love the compete and the no quit that the team seems to have, but because of the talent deficient, it's hard to outwork the other team every night. I sort of feel like they're going to hit a wall in Jan/Feb and start a slide that probably puts us back in keeping our top 10 pick.

[dammage79]

Conroy's not going to go out an spend draft capital on aging veterans. He's not. He would however go out and spend draft capital of he feels it necessary to acquire the single target he wants to acquire. Which is fine by me.

Flames can still draft centers AND spend some draft capital to acquire a RHS center under that age of 24. That's not a made up description, that's a comment straight from the horse's mouth about what he wants to bring in for the team. And I'm all for it.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Conroy's not going to go out an spend draft capital on aging veterans. He's not. He would however go out and spend draft capital of he feels it necessary to acquire the single target he wants to acquire. Which is fine by me.

Flames can still draft centers AND spend some draft capital to acquire a RHS center under that age of 24. That's not a made up description, that's a comment straight from the horse's mouth about what he wants to bring in for the team. And I'm all for it.

And the type of centres that will be available will have risk and warts. Teams aren't going to trade core centres that are producing. The examples of that over the years are few and far between. The goal is to make a trade that is similar to Buffalo getting Thompson or NYR getting Zib.

That would be the objective in trading for someone like Cozens or Wright, though I really doubt the latter is available at all.

You need not one but two top 6 centres. Cozens fits in as the #2.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Conroy's not going to go out an spend draft capital on aging veterans. He's not. He would however go out and spend draft capital of he feels it necessary to acquire the single target he wants to acquire. Which is fine by me.

Flames can still draft centers AND spend some draft capital to acquire a RHS center under that age of 24. That's not a made up description, that's a comment straight from the horse's mouth about what he wants to bring in for the team. And I'm all for it.

The odds of drafting a very good young player with a pick in the 20-32 range of the 1st round is low and the odds of hitting on a pick in the 2nd round is almost as likely. If you add a proven player with a late 1st and keep your mid picks, I think that makes sense. I prefer to just trade a guy like Rasmus to get the center though. IMO, we need at least 1 top 5 pick. Adding for the future but subtracting now is the best way to manage this.