[PGT] Flames 3 - Habs 2 OT WHOOO

[blankall]

This game really illustrates how hard it is to actually tank.

The Flames are near the salary floor, have no top line, are playing a rookie goalie, and have a very lackluster 3-7 d-man situation going on.

Meanwhile the Habs are spending to the cap, have been rebuilding and trying to win for close to a decade. Yet the Habs can't help but lose.

I want the Flames to get a great draft pick, but also want them to avoid the Montreal/Buffalo/Detroit/etc... spirals of loserness, where the teams are losing for so long they forget how to win and eventually have to start selling off their tank draft picks as they reach UFA status.

[FanIn80]

Coronato good!
Zary good!
Wolf good!

Not Coronato, Zary or Wolf... not as good!

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by blankall

This game really illustrates how hard it is to actually tank.

The Flames are near the salary floor, have no top line, are playing a rookie goalie, and have a very lackluster 3-7 d-man situation going on.

Meanwhile the Habs are spending to the cap, have been rebuilding and trying to win for close to a decade. Yet the Habs can't help but lose.

I want the Flames to get a great draft pick, but also want them to avoid the Montreal/Buffalo/Detroit/etc... spirals of loserness, where the teams are losing for so long they forget how to win and eventually have to start selling off their tank draft picks as they reach UFA status.

Bud we've been in that spiral of loserness since 2009

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Bud we've been in that spiral of loserness since 2009

Eh not really.

Flames have two division titles in that time and made the playoffs in 5 of those 8 seasons during the Gaudreau era (2014-2022). There was a good team there but a combination of bad management and bad coaching cratered it near the end.

Sabres have not made the playoffs in 13! years, haven't won a series in 17 years.

Red Wings have not made the playoffs in 8 years, haven't won a series since moving to the Eastern conference 11 years ago.

Ottawa has not made the playoffs in 7 years.

Montreal is probably the only Flames comparable and most of their success was whatever Carey Price was able to drag them to.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Bud we've been in that spiral of loserness since 2009

Nope. The Flames were a couple of playoff series away from going on legit runs. That's where the majority of NHL teams end up, with the Montreal/Buffalo/Detroits clearly on a tier below and the Tampa/Vegas/Colorados on a tier above.

Being a Flames fan was far from easy, but a huge step up from watching the team finish 1-10 from last for a decade. If the Flames had managed the assets they had better, like Bennett, and done a better job of signing complimentary UFA pieces, they likely get pushed over the edge and win a couple more playoff series. Big difference between that and the teams that lose straight for 10+ years.

[activeStick]

Damn it, just as Mantha seemed to be waking up a bit, he gets injured. But I guess he only stays hot for a week or two before going cold again, so maybe not a huge loss. Wolf continues to improve and look better and better. Don't know how he does it being as small as he is, just hope he keeps it up! Wolf, and Parekh in the system. Need a similar level prospect at center.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Damn it, just as Mantha seemed to be waking up a bit, he gets injured. But I guess he only stays hot for a week or two before going cold again, so maybe not a huge loss. Wolf continues to improve and look better and better. Don't know how he does it being as small as he is, just hope he keeps it up! Wolf, and Parekh in the system. Need a similar level prospect at center.

That's kind of Mantha's M.O. Physically huge player with flashes of brilliance. Disappears or gets injured for large stretches though. If he could figure out a way to stay healthy and consistent he'd be a premier power forward.

There's a reason Mantha is signing one year deals at age 30 with a rebuilding Calgary Flames team. The hope is he's healthy at the trade deadline, when the Flames go to trade him.

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Sabres have not made the playoffs in 13! years

Hey now, the Sabres have been bad for a long time but it's hyperbole to say they haven't made the playoffs in 6227020800 years. That predates the formation of Earth.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by blankall

That's kind of Mantha's M.O. Physically huge player with flashes of brilliance. Disappears or gets injured for large stretches though. If he could figure out a way to stay healthy and consistent he'd be a premier power forward.

There's a reason Mantha is signing one year deals at age 30 with a rebuilding Calgary Flames team. The hope is he's healthy at the trade deadline, when the Flames go to trade him.

Yeah, he fooled me once already when I got excited way too early thinking the Flames finally found someone who has chemistry with Huberdeau and so I actually thought about the Flames maybe keeping him around... never again!!

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Habs have only been rebuilding for 3 years, and two of those picks aren't with the team yet (Reinbacher and Demidov). They are still fully rebuilding IMO.

Senators are what they are because they made two moves that weren't very smart in the Debrincat and Chychrun trades and traded high picks way too early in a rebuild.

They were able to turn the Debrincat trade tree (7th OV - Kevin Korchinski, 39th OV) into Ullmark at least.

But they gave up 12th OV and 2 2nds for Chychrun, who they've turned into Nick Jensen.

Turning two top 12 picks and 3 2nds into 34 year old Nick Jensen and 31 year old Linus Ullmark is a good way to undercut a rebuild though.

Last season's 76 points were the most the Habs had garnered in the past 5 seasons. The year prior to that (2018-19) was a bit of an anomaly, as well, as they only achieved 71 points the season before that. So you could easily argue that they're in the 8th year of their rebuild, at least based on their record.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by dino7c

...Replay has made linesman worse at their jobs

Yeah, I don't think that's it. I think it is more that the game is a billion times faster than it ever was.


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[Textcritic]

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I used to click on these and scroll all the way down to Dumpsville fan reactions. Are these not happening anymore?

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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The rebuilds keep getting older but it seems the Habs and Senators keep staying bad. For all the prospect the Habs have accumulated, they are still a really bad hockey team. I expect it's going to take them another few seasons before they can turn the corner.

Rebuilds are decade-projects. Expecting much to happen within five years is a pipe dream.

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[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Yeah, I don't think that's it. I think it is more that the game is a billion times faster than it ever was.


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No, they let anything remotely close go because of review...I immediately knew that was offside wathcing on TV.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Rebuilds are decade-projects. Expecting much to happen within five years is a pipe dream.

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If you're rebuilding for a decade you've gone horribly off the rails somewhere. At that stage, your high draft picks are now aging vets.

Montreal had some bad luck, having 2022 when they had the #1 overall pick, be a not so great draft. They've also made horrendous moves like trading Sergachev (and a 2nd) for Drouin. Their drafting is downright horrible.

You don't have a successful rebuild taking Kotkaniemi over Brady Tkachuk, and Quinn Hughes. Montreal has even had great luck in that they were gifted Suzuki and had Carolina save them from themselves by taking a bullet and offer sheeting Kotkaniemi. It's just been an awful rebuild, and no it shouldn' take 10 years to rebuild.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by blankall

If you're rebuilding for a decade you've gone horribly off the rails somewhere. At that stage, your high draft picks are now aging vets.



Montreal had some bad luck, having 2022 when they had the #1 overall pick, be a not so great draft. They've also made horrendous moves like trading Sergachev (and a 2nd) for Drouin. Their drafting is downright horrible.



You don't have a successful rebuild taking Kotkaniemi over Brady Tkachuk, and Quinn Hughes. Montreal has even had great luck in that they were gifted Suzuki and had Carolina save them from themselves by taking a bullet and offer sheeting Kotkaniemi. It's just been an awful rebuild, and no it shouldn' take 10 years to rebuild.

What you are describing is precisely why rebuilds are decade projects. Only a tiny few ever hit their targets within five years—it requires a combination of good drafting and exceptionally good luck. Otherwise, most projects are trial, error and refinement over a much longer period of time.

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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by dino7c

No, they let anything remotely close go because of review...I immediately knew that was offside wathcing on TV.

Um, yes. But, the on-ice officials are not watching on TV. That was my point.

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[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dino7c

No, they let anything remotely close go because of review...I immediately knew that was offside wathcing on TV.

I actually don't mind letting the close ones go... BUT I actually think the linesman should be able to initiate the challenge in those scenarios.

Like if the linesman's knows it's close and wants to be able to take another look, he should be able to say "I'm triggering the review" if the play resulted in a goal.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I used to click on these and scroll all the way down to Dumpsville fan reactions. Are these not happening anymore?

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Unless it's against another team I dislike that's really all I read.