Think the deportation issue didn't just resonate with the white voters, it resonated with the people who will get deported.
Those communities are not as tight knit as people like to think, they likely want each other deported.
Harris doing call her daddy got her bad press; I got laughed at that. But all she did was chase horny white men who can't get laid to the polls and angered those white women. Instead, she focused on bringing on Jennifer Lopez who most people loathe, and part of the Diddy crime family.
She reached out to Rogan before the Trump camp did, and his entire team went on the show, and she balked.
I think the first think is that this election hinged on about a 2-3% swing in the electorate.
People look at this result and say Democrats were rejected but that’s not really what happened. 3/100 People changed their minds between 2020 and 2024. Major changes in democratic policies aren’t required. Quite simply it’s in the selling of the candidate and the plans.
Stealing from another post in the other thread that was particularly astute. Trump offered simple solutions to simple problems and Harris offered complex solutions to complex problems. The first is more attractive the second is more real.
This is an ongoing failure of democrats and when they do distill it to something more simple they are terrible at it. Ie defund the police. Nenshis politics in full sentences is no longer desired in the key groups swinging to the right.
The Dems lost blue collar workers because they couldn’t accept that they are a little racist.
If you look at the swing states, they are always 2-3% one way or another. Been that for a long time.
Which basically means you have 5% of the voting demographic that changes their mind. Which is fair when it comes to swing states, but as it stands right now Harris got 14 million less votes than Biden did, and Trump is +3 million.
If you look at many demographics across America, Trump improved in a lot of them, while Harris basically preformed miserably, and performed worse than Biden did in 2020.
No matter which way you want to spin it, terrible showing by a terrible candidate.
This is actually a pretty good point, too. Democrats have now ran two elections on maintaining the status quo or returning to the status quo, not realizing that the status quo hasn't been working for a good portion of Americans for years.
I don't know, something tells me people are going to rate the economy much higher in a few months, even if nothing materially changes. Just like Biden being 81 was a massive concern, but once he dropped out no one worried about age anymore, even though Trump is 78.
Presidents don’t affect the economy while in office unless they are absolute disasters (Trump tariffs could be this, see Farris Buellers day off and the Harley/Smith Tarrif act for the last time a president crashed the economy)
But people vote based on it. It’s just Vibes and yet it’s the most influential factor on elections.
This is actually a pretty good point, too. Democrats have now ran two elections on maintaining the status quo or returning to the status quo, not realizing that the status quo hasn't been working for a good portion of Americans for years.
I’d really like to see how an alternate timeline where the democrats made Bernie their candidate in one of the last 3 elections would have went.
I think the map would look a lot different. He'd likely gain in PA/WI/MI, but could lose states like VA and others.
His style of having a few simple policies and repeating them over and over may be what is needed to beat a guy like Trump. It doesn't really seem to matter if it they are impractical to implement or have unintended consequences.
How many 2016 Bernie Bros are 2024 Joe Rogan Bros? Could Bernie pull them back?
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This is actually a pretty good point, too. Democrats have now ran two elections on maintaining the status quo or returning to the status quo, not realizing that the status quo hasn't been working for a good portion of Americans for years.
Why are you asking me? I'm not a Trump supporter. However, if I was a low-engagement, low-propensity voter, who is struggling to pay his bills, these would probably appeal much more to me than the party that's offering nothing to change things.
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If you look at the swing states, they are always 2-3% one way or another. Been that for a long time.
Which basically means you have 5% of the voting demographic that changes their mind. Which is fair when it comes to swing states, but as it stands right now Harris got 14 million less votes than Biden did, and Trump is +3 million.
If you look at many demographics across America, Trump improved in a lot of them, while Harris basically preformed miserably, and performed worse than Biden did in 2020.
No matter which way you want to spin it, terrible showing by a terrible candidate.
I see it as Biden was helped by economic and pandemic conditions. Harris was hurt by inflation. Fundamental based election models that ignore candidates and polling would have predicted the correct outcome. This election should have been a cake walk for the republicans. That it was close shows as you say how small the electorate that changes their mind is. Is there an alternate world where in 2020 the Dems start building a successor and win? Maybe but economic headwinds are tough to defeat.
1. Trump will ruin American democracy. His former joint cheif, a four star general, opposes him.
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Retired Gen. Mark A. Milley warned that former president Donald Trump is a “fascist to the core” and “the most dangerous person to this country” in new comments voicing his mounting alarm at the prospect of the Republican nominee’s election to another term, according to a forthcoming book by Washington Post associate editor Bob Woodward.
2. Trump will abandon allies and introduce chaos to global security. Aid to Ukraine will effectively stop giving Russia the greenlight to annex the whole country
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Former President Donald Trump on Saturday said he would encourage Russia to do “whatever the hell they want” to any NATO member country that doesn’t meet spending guidelines on defense in a stunning admission he would not abide by the collective-defense clause at the heart of the alliance if reelected.
3. Trump fundamentally doesn't understand economics and his tariff plan will devastate Canada, including my industry that exports to the US.
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The self-proclaimed “tariff man” enacted duties on about $380 billion in imports in his first term. Now he’s promising much wider measures, including a 10% to 20% charge on all imported goods and 60% on Chinese products.
Also its hard to ignore the planned mass deportations, curtailing women's rights, the Israel conflict and his policies on climate change.
I'm just stunned they voted for him and this time he even got the popular vote.
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What is the point of saying "well that's irrational, you're suggesting people vote against their own interests" after they've just shown you they clearly don't believe the people peddling that message?
People keep saying "well the solution isn't to move left", and it probably wasn't 8 years ago, but if the scales finally fall off the eyes of the left and they define themselves by class rather than by identity as members of an oppressed group it might actually be. I mean I guess then you're kinda leaning into the populist thing and the "they're all a bunch of Marxists" line will actually be kinda true but hey, apparently the country already believes that so you might as well.
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Why are you asking me? I'm not a Trump supporter. However, if I was a low-engagement, low-propensity voter, who is struggling to pay his bills, these would probably appeal much more to me than the party that's offering nothing to change things.
Desperate people do desperate things. Even if Trump ends up making things worse, and he almost certainly will, he's at least offering something different.
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As it stands right now Trump is going to be at 312, and win every swing state.
NV, MI, AZ are still not called on CNN.
Even in States that Harris won, Trump picked up a ton of ground.
NH, NJ, NY, CA, MN, VA, CT, all moved red significantly. Will be interesting once the final counts are done and we see better comparable statistics, but right now you have to be pretty stupid to look at the vast demographic difference in all those states and think that the voters in those states believe for one second that Trump is the terrible person that the Democrats keep saying he is.
California will be really interesting. Super blue state, but Trump is sitting at 40% now, versus 34% in 2020. That is a 6 point increase as of today, obviously more votes are coming.
Also, almost 18 million less votes this time around. Something seems off here. During a pandemic they had record turnout.
What happened to the reports of I have never seen so many people out to vote.
Yeah, I've seen that stat as well. I wonder if its not so insidious and a lot of democratic voters couldn't vote for Harris and couldn't vote for Trump and stayed home?
I don't know if its some insidious proof of vote fixing.
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Why are you asking me? I'm not a Trump supporter. However, if I was a low-engagement, low-propensity voter, who is struggling to pay his bills, these would probably appeal much more to me than the party that's offering nothing to change things.
Yes I know you are not.
Maybe these people need to answer some questions before they are allowed to vote.
If you can't answer what a tariff you cannot vote.
If you are struggling to pay bills now, wait until they pass on those 200% tariffs. Bankruptcy might be the better option, and their leader knows a thing or two about that.
1. Trump will ruin American democracy. His former joint cheif, a four star general, opposes him.
2. Trump will abandon allies and introduce chaos to global security. Aid to Ukraine will effectively stop giving Russia the greenlight to annex the whole country
3. Trump fundamentally doesn't understand economics and his tariff plan will devastate Canada, including my industry that exports to the US.
Also its hard to ignore the planned mass deportations, curtailing women's rights, the Israel conflict and his policies on climate change.
I'm just stunned they voted for him and this time he even got the popular vote.
Americans deserve the #### show they are going to get.
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